Second card

Much worse artifacting than first card.
Same error in R3MEMID.
Necroware tool reports all memory chips bad.
VTT MVDDC MVDDQ measured normal as the first card.

I highly doubt that all the memory chips are bad. The problem must be somewhere else.
Seeking guidance from people with more experience.

Retronerd878 wrote on Yesterday, 11:17:

Tried to run R3MEMID but I got the error in the attachment.

You’re missing some parameters

R3MEMID –NOCFG –GENREF –LOG

Send us the log 😀

I remember having to deshim my 9700 or the GPU die wouldn't make contact with the cooler. Maybe something similar happened with this card.

I used the new command line.
In the logfile is the same message I got on the console before.

Retronerd878 wrote on Yesterday, 11:54:

I used the new command line.
In the logfile is the same message I got on the console before.

Very strange the card is not being detected. Maybe double check voltages, see here Re: ATI 9700 Pro Broken

Did you try AGP 1X/2X? Do the artifacts move?
If they do move, then maybe memory
If they don't, then maybe core

I checked the voltages, they are all correct for both cards.
Switching between AGP 1x /2x doesn't change the artifacts

Dothan Burger wrote on Yesterday, 11:49:

I remember having to deshim my 9700 or the GPU die wouldn't make contact with the cooler. Maybe something similar happened with this card.

The default thermal compound between cooler and GPU took that into account.

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Retronerd878 wrote on Yesterday, 11:17:

I ran the memory diagnostic tools that Necroware used to determine faulty RAM on a voodoo 3 and on the first try it suggested that all the memory chips on the front of the card were bad and the ones on the back were all good.
After more testing it showed that all the memory chips were bad.

I would discard that result. The cards picture would look significantly worse if it was the case. Stick to R3MEMID.

Retronerd878 wrote on Yesterday, 11:54:

I used the new command line.
In the logfile is the same message I got on the console before.

Are you running FreeDOS? R3MEMID will only work with safe mode with least drivers loaded.

it's normal MS-DOS. Fresh copy with no drivers installed. Are there even drivers for DOS for the Radeon 9700? Not familiar with FreeDOS.

You don't need drivers. You need DOS4GW for R3MEMID to work properly.

Yes, I downloaded and manually copied the DOS4GW file and it worked afterward. However, this is the report it produces.

I can check tomorrow if I can get MS-DOS to run and give it a shot.

I can install freedos, no problem.
I guess this is the source: https://www.freedos.org/download/
Which variant should I choose? My test rig is a socket 370 setup with universal AGP slot. I have a CF card as a boot drive. Can I install the FreeDOS on the card on my main computer (using a card reader) and simply put it back into the retro pc?

Finally got it to work. Installed freedos.

Here is the log for the first card:

R3MEMID version 1.07, (c) Copyright ATI Technologies Inc, 2003
Log file generation enabled to .\R3MEMID.LOG ...
Reference data file (RDF) loading disabled ...
No wait on error enabled (not effected by '-s') ...
TEST RESULT SUMMARY:
====================
R300 (0x4e44) detected.
128M video memory.
Test suite ran 1 of 1 times.
Checking test status array ...
[1 ] Fill : FAIL
Error ID 0VB001
1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 60 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDC0 28 30 31 MDD0 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 ...

[2 ] Data line toggle (GUI) : FAIL
Error ID 0VB023
1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 60 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDC0 28 30 31 MDD0 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 ...

[3 ] RW page (GUI) : FAIL
Error ID 0VB025
1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 60 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDC0 28 30 31 MDD0 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 ...

[4 ] RW channel (GUI) : FAIL
Error ID 0VB028
1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 60 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDC0 28 30 31 MDD0 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 ...

[5 ] Data mask : FAIL
Error ID 0VB006
1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 60 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDC0 28 30 31 MDD0 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 ...

[6 ] Macro + Micro8x2 tiling read : FAIL
Error ID 0VC006
1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 60 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 ...

[7 ] Byte swap macro+micro8x2 read : FAIL
Error ID 0VC018
1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 60 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDC0 28 30 31 MDD0 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 ...

[8 ] HOST_DATA/<f,b>/M2L : FAIL
Error ID 0TR014
640 x 480 - 8 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 ...

640 x 480 - 15 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

640 x 480 - 16 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

640 x 480 - 32 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

800 x 600 - 8 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

800 x 600 - 15 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

800 x 600 - 16 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

800 x 600 - 32 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 ...

1024 x 768 - 8 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

1024 x 768 - 15 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

1024 x 768 - 16 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 ...

[9 ] Line slopes/dir/P/solid : FAIL
Error ID 0TR010
640 x 480 - 8 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

640 x 480 - 15 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

640 x 480 - 16 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

640 x 480 - 32 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

800 x 600 - 8 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

800 x 600 - 15 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

800 x 600 - 16 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

800 x 600 - 32 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

1024 x 768 - 8 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

1024 x 768 - 15 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

1024 x 768 - 16 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 ...

1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDD0 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 ...

Failure detected.

This is the 2nd card:

R3MEMID version 1.07, (c) Copyright ATI Technologies Inc, 2003
Log file generation enabled to .\R3MEMID.LOG ...
Reference data file (RDF) loading disabled ...
No wait on error enabled (not effected by '-s') ...
TEST RESULT SUMMARY:
====================
R300 (0x4e44) detected.
128M video memory.
Test suite ran 1 of 1 times.
Checking test status array ...
[1 ] Fill : FAIL
Error ID 0VB001
1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 60 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31

[2 ] Data line toggle (GUI) : FAIL
Error ID 0VB023
1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 60 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31

[3 ] RW page (GUI) : FAIL
Error ID 0VB025
1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 60 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31

[4 ] RW channel (GUI) : FAIL
Error ID 0VB028
1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 60 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31

[5 ] Data mask : FAIL
Error ID 0VB006
1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 60 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31

[6 ] Macro + Micro8x2 tiling read : FAIL
Error ID 0VC006
1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 60 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31

[7 ] Byte swap macro+micro8x2 read : FAIL
Error ID 0VC018
1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 60 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 7 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 ...
[8 ] HOST_DATA/<f,b>/M2L : FAIL
Error ID 0TR014
640 x 480 - 8 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
640 x 480 - 15 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
640 x 480 - 16 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
640 x 480 - 32 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
800 x 600 - 8 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
800 x 600 - 15 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
800 x 600 - 16 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
800 x 600 - 32 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
1024 x 768 - 8 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
1024 x 768 - 15 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
1024 x 768 - 16 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
[9 ] Line slopes/dir/P/solid : FAIL
Error ID 0TR010
640 x 480 - 8 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
640 x 480 - 15 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
640 x 480 - 16 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
640 x 480 - 32 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
800 x 600 - 8 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
800 x 600 - 15 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
800 x 600 - 16 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
800 x 600 - 32 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
1024 x 768 - 8 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
1024 x 768 - 15 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
1024 x 768 - 16 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
1024 x 768 - 32 bpp ( 75 Hz): TEST FAILURE
failing bit : MDA0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDB0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... MDC0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MD
Failure detected.

Judging by the results there are problems with:

U56 and U59 on the first card
U52, U54 and U56 on the second card

Am I correct?

From your logs, yes. That is correct. There appear to be more bits affected on the second card, indicated by the ... - I'll check tomorrow, there should be a switch for R3MEMID to log every bit.

Let's start with Card 1 first, so we keep it simple. Check the surrounding of U56 and U59, broken traces, corrosion etc. are interesting. However! If the bits are only affected on one memory rank, it's relatively safe to assume the issue is with the memory chips, since having series/parallel termination failures would affect both ranks (0 and 1).

Test if the error behavior changes with pressure.

I attached a schematic of the R9700 from Gigabyte.