rmay635703 wrote on Yesterday, 20:51:

Yeah 8tb ssds used to be about $500 for a commodity one, back in ye olde 2024 […]
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Dimos wrote on Yesterday, 20:42:

SanDisk's new 8TB PS5 SSD costs $2,959.99, more than three times as much as the PS5 Pro.

https://www.engadget.com/2196530/sandisks-new … as-the-ps5-pro/

Yeah 8tb ssds used to be about $500 for a commodity one, back in ye olde 2024

At the rate we are going the IBM PC 5150 will become the home computer for offline gaming, typing and spreadsheet work.

They will have to relaunch color dot matrix ribbon production.

I realize you are being sarcastic, but realistically things can only get so bad before the indie market starts taking over. Homemade lithography etc. I'm not worried.

As for the SSDs, thank god for RAID 😀

tcaud wrote on Today, 05:25:

rmay635703 wrote on Yesterday, 20:51:

Yeah 8tb ssds used to be about $500 for a commodity one, back in ye olde 2024 […]
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Dimos wrote on Yesterday, 20:42:

SanDisk's new 8TB PS5 SSD costs $2,959.99, more than three times as much as the PS5 Pro.

https://www.engadget.com/2196530/sandisks-new … as-the-ps5-pro/

Yeah 8tb ssds used to be about $500 for a commodity one, back in ye olde 2024

At the rate we are going the IBM PC 5150 will become the home computer for offline gaming, typing and spreadsheet work.

They will have to relaunch color dot matrix ribbon production.

I realize you are being sarcastic, but realistically things can only get so bad before the indie market starts taking over. Homemade lithography etc. I'm not worried.

As for the SSDs, thank god for RAID 😀

I'm not bashing spinning rust or Raid here but.

I know you are trying to be upbeat here but conventional spinning rust Raid cannot ever get close to matching a NVME SSD, the one I have transfers at 14Gb/s burst and yes it can hit those speeds even its more normal transfer speeds are between 8 - 12 Gb/s. Raid speeds at best is cope and at worst a raid 0 with no backup. Even a lowly still cheap PCIe 3.0 NVME can still move data far faster than any Raid could hope to hit.

Now if you were talking about capacity . .well yes spinning rust wins that race by a very large margin and really that's its intended purpose and one its perfect for.

Or perhaps you were talking about a more exotic type of Raid using cheap PCIe 3.0 SSDs .. now that would be a fun setup.

tcaud wrote on Today, 05:25:

rmay635703 wrote on Yesterday, 20:51:

Yeah 8tb ssds used to be about $500 for a commodity one, back in ye olde 2024 […]
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Dimos wrote on Yesterday, 20:42:

SanDisk's new 8TB PS5 SSD costs $2,959.99, more than three times as much as the PS5 Pro.

https://www.engadget.com/2196530/sandisks-new … as-the-ps5-pro/

Yeah 8tb ssds used to be about $500 for a commodity one, back in ye olde 2024

At the rate we are going the IBM PC 5150 will become the home computer for offline gaming, typing and spreadsheet work.

They will have to relaunch color dot matrix ribbon production.

I realize you are being sarcastic, but realistically things can only get so bad before the indie market starts taking over. Homemade lithography etc. I'm not worried.

As for the SSDs, thank god for RAID 😀

Yeah the guy who is most advanced in home lithography in his garage, might be up to the point where he can sell you an 8 bit 8080 clone or 1 kilobyte RAM chips in a couple of years, so only half a century off catching up to DDR5.

I'd say the bigger market would be ripping modules off shitty SoC's in the trash, and building modular memory from them.

BitWrangler wrote on Today, 13:01:

tcaud wrote on Today, 05:25:

rmay635703 wrote on Yesterday, 20:51:

Yeah 8tb ssds used to be about $500 for a commodity one, back in ye olde 2024

At the rate we are going the IBM PC 5150 will become the home computer for offline gaming, typing and spreadsheet work.

They will have to relaunch color dot matrix ribbon production.

I realize you are being sarcastic, but realistically things can only get so bad before the indie market starts taking over. Homemade lithography etc. I'm not worried.

As for the SSDs, thank god for RAID 😀

Yeah the guy who is most advanced in home lithography in his garage, might be up to the point where he can sell you an 8 bit 8080 clone or 1 kilobyte RAM chips in a couple of years, so only half a century off catching up to DDR5.

Not sure that understand how absurd the idea of home made lithography is or that its highly amusing to even suggest it.

BitWrangler wrote on Today, 13:01:

Yeah the guy who is most advanced in home lithography in his garage, might be up to the point where he can sell you an 8 bit 8080 clone or 1 kilobyte RAM chips in a couple of years, so only half a century off catching up to DDR5.

Have you ever heard of this Japanese company called Minimal Fab? They manufacture a set of desktop-size machines that can be used to manufacture chips without requiring a sophisticated chip foundry that would take billions of dollars and years to build. Apparently they don't even need a clean room.

They are suitable for manufacturing chips in small batches, or for prototyping. Basically, 3D printers, but for microchips. 🙂

Their most advanced variant supports a 1000 to 500 nm process node. That puts it in the ballpark of late 1980s to early 1990s. Decades behind what a modern chip foundry can produce, but way more advanced than an 8-bit 8080. You could make 486 CPUs and EDO RAM with this tech. Perfect for retro-computing purposes, actually. 😄

Cost: a few million dollars. Way too expensive for the average mere mortal, but doable for universities and medium-sided companies.

That is downright huge (most fab today a tiny fraction of that feature size!), so chip density will be very poor.

A hot air rework station, and home made pcbs, looks much more practical.

Scoop up discarded 'last year's' shitty SoC crop, pull the components off, then build modular memory out of them.

Far more approachable, with actually useful chips.

wierd_w wrote on Today, 14:10:

That is downright huge (most fab today a tiny fraction of that feature size!), so chip density will be very poor. […]
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That is downright huge (most fab today a tiny fraction of that feature size!), so chip density will be very poor.

A hot air rework station, and home made pcbs, looks much more practical.

Scoop up discarded 'last year's' shitty SoC crop, pull the components off, then build modular memory out of them.

Far more approachable, with actually useful chips.

The problem really is that we are allowed to shred functional ewaste despite how destructive it is.

Considering recent events
All functional ewaste is valuable and should generally be banned from recycling in eurozone and American channels.

Based on how polluting ewaste recycling is we would have been better off with the hi desert boneyard approach used with planes that get placed into areas that never rain until a demand to strip components occurs. Could have kept a lot of crap from being piled, burned and leaching into 3rd world tropical regions.

Would have greatly simplified repair channels for old equipment and CRTs.

Sadly we are too shortsighted to understand that electronics from an ewaste standpoint need a 20 year plus life from an environmental standpoint in stark opposition to the disposable phone model where the ewaste costs more than the production of a new phone.

We forgot the reduce and reuse aspects

I'd say the 'mandated shredding' was *purposeful*, because it hobbles secondary markets.

Lines gotta go UP UP UP, you see.

wierd_w wrote on Today, 15:01:

I'd say the 'mandated shredding' was *purposeful*, because it hobbles secondary markets.

Lines gotta go UP UP UP, you see.

Well, thankfully, the Right to Repair movement has been gaining steam and has even been winning serious legal and legislative battles in multiple parts of the world.

Interesting idea by the way about more actively salvaging components including RAM chips from e-waste. It's indeed getting to the point where many of those chips continue to be of practical value.

digger wrote on Today, 14:00:

Have you ever heard of this Japanese company called Minimal Fab? They manufacture a set of desktop-size machines that can be use […]
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BitWrangler wrote on Today, 13:01:

Yeah the guy who is most advanced in home lithography in his garage, might be up to the point where he can sell you an 8 bit 8080 clone or 1 kilobyte RAM chips in a couple of years, so only half a century off catching up to DDR5.

Have you ever heard of this Japanese company called Minimal Fab? They manufacture a set of desktop-size machines that can be used to manufacture chips without requiring a sophisticated chip foundry that would take billions of dollars and years to build. Apparently they don't even need a clean room.

They are suitable for manufacturing chips in small batches, or for prototyping. Basically, 3D printers, but for microchips. 🙂

Their most advanced variant supports a 1000 to 500 nm process node. That puts it in the ballpark of late 1980s to early 1990s. Decades behind what a modern chip foundry can produce, but way more advanced than an 8-bit 8080. You could make 486 CPUs and EDO RAM with this tech. Perfect for retro-computing purposes, actually. 😄

Cost: a few million dollars. Way too expensive for the average mere mortal, but doable for universities and medium-sided companies.

To buy one outright yes. To assemble one yourself (or friends) with the required know-how? Maybe not so much...

School system equipment luquidation auctions might become hot items in that kind of envirionment.

Most (in the usa at least) have a yearly equipment budget that they MUST spend.

Kids are very hard on keyboards and displays, so they 'die' regularly and need replacing. Onboard RAM modules could reasonably be harvested fairly reliably from this waste stream.

Some deals with your local schoolboard could get you these raw materials with preference.

Just saying, there's viable paths for community recycled memory module creation. PCBway and co, open a lot of doors here for skilled tinkerers.