well, googles A.I. helped me build my retro PC and it was easy. Also, googles A.I. has helped me with information many things with references.
In future A.I. will get better but right now its a bit stupid how they just centralise it as a web service because 1 goes down everyone follows.
In the 90's I thought we'd have our own AI powered androids but instead they're stuffing our RAM HARD DRIVES SSD'S NVMe's into big buildings
whilst we get ripped off causing inflation and making it all look like just another cartel or racket.

newtmonkey wrote on 2026-07-08, 16:46:

"Engrish" makes no sense when referring to Chinese, since that language has an actual "L" sound. Japanese does not. The closest is a sort of rolled "R" formed by touching the middle of your tongue to the roof of your mouth, which sounds more like "R"; hence, "Engrish" instead of "English."

Maybe "Engrish" has become a term to refer to broken English spoken by Asians in general in recent years.

The term definitely gets applied almost exclusively to Chinese stuff even if it is not an accurate mockery. We don't always get fine grained control over which terms enter the popular parlance.

Fine. Maybe in your world, "Engrish" is used specifically to refer to Chinese manuals written in broken English, even though the term makes no sense in that context. It doesn't matter. The point is, we had two people here patting each other on the back about being offended that "new Canadians" (what do you suppose this actually means?) write emails using AI fixed from their original "Engrish." So maybe they weren't referring to Japanese people, they were referring to Chinese people.

It doesn't matter. This kind of bullshit should not be welcome on an international forum devoted to old hardware.

keenmaster486 wrote on 2026-07-08, 16:37:

I've only ever heard "Engrish" used to refer to the bad English that Chinese factories put in their instruction manuals. We don't make fun of the Japanese because they actually care enough to write proper English in the products they sell on the American market, and unlike the Chinese their products are consistently good.

Chinglish.
The words are English but the sense is lost if you actually read what it says rather than what they meant.

This isnt a slur thing, this is litterly the slang term Ive heard used several times in different settings by different people.
The word has traction.

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2026-07-08, 17:47:

Chinglish.

Thank you. Yes, this is the word for Chinese-written English that makes no sense. Not Engrish.

We had an employee tell us that the brand new laptop we sent them was a used refurb and wanted a new one. I asked how she thought that and she said Ai told her.

newtmonkey wrote on 2026-07-08, 17:40:

Fine. Maybe in your world, "Engrish" is used specifically to refer to Chinese manuals written in broken English, even though the term makes no sense in that context. It doesn't matter. The point is, we had two people here patting each other on the back about being offended that "new Canadians" (what do you suppose this actually means?) write emails using AI fixed from their original "Engrish." So maybe they weren't referring to Japanese people, they were referring to Chinese people.

It doesn't matter. This kind of bullshit should not be welcome on an international forum devoted to old hardware.

Don't shoot the messenger. All I'm saying is I have never heard anyone criticize a Japanese person's English by calling it "Engrish", even though I agree that the term is not exactly accurate when applied elsewhere. But terms often run away from their face value meanings, or were improperly applied in the first place, and we don't necessarily get control over that.

In any case, "new Canadians" in 2026 could only mean Indians. Certainly not Japanese. I don't think anyone's criticizing Japanese people, especially in this day and age, when most Westerners are friendly to Japan and vice versa. But that's a whole separate discussion which I agree we should not get into here unless we want to start a flamewar.

keenmaster486 wrote on 2026-07-08, 18:07:

In any case, "new Canadians" in 2026 could only mean Indians. Certainly not Japanese. I don't think anyone's criticizing Japanese people, especially in this day and age, when most Westerners are friendly to Japan and vice versa. But that's a whole separate discussion which I agree we should not get into here unless we want to start a flamewar.

Thank you for clarifying. I agree, it probably refers to Indians, which makes even less sense (who calls an Indian accent "Engrish"?). Anyway, it's in bad taste. I have a lot of respect for people who move to another country and struggle to learn the language and fit in, no matter where they're from, so I could not let the previous last few posts about "Engrish" just stand without comment. However, judging from the reaction, I seem to be alone. This is an international forum for discussing old hardware and games, after all, so I was disappointed to see this kind of stuff here.

newtmonkey wrote on 2026-07-08, 18:35:

Thank you for clarifying. I agree, it probably refers to Indians, which makes even less sense (who calls an Indian accent "Engrish"?). Anyway, it's in bad taste. I have a lot of respect for people who move to another country and struggle to learn the language and fit in, no matter where they're from, so I could not let the previous last few posts about "Engrish" just stand without comment. However, judging from the reaction, I seem to be alone. This is an international forum for discussing old hardware and games, after all, so I was disappointed to see this kind of stuff here.

You're not alone, the tone in this thread has been somewhat small minded.

newtmonkey wrote on 2026-07-08, 18:35:

Thank you for clarifying. I agree, it probably refers to Indians, which makes even less sense (who calls an Indian accent "Engrish"?). Anyway, it's in bad taste. I have a lot of respect for people who move to another country and struggle to learn the language and fit in, no matter where they're from, so I could not let the previous last few posts about "Engrish" just stand without comment. However, judging from the reaction, I seem to be alone. This is an international forum for discussing old hardware and games, after all, so I was disappointed to see this kind of stuff here.

When someone writes something that is offensive or that you feel is offensive, the lack of a pile-on doesn’t mean that you must be the only person in this community with those feelings. By offering a perspective which is succinct and well-argued, there is little reason for others to chime in and continue to pull a conversation further into flame war territory. And, indeed, there have been complaints from others expressing strong displeasure about this conduct, which is why I am here to address it more directly as well.

I would beg for a moment of reflection from those here who seem to hold negative sentiments toward some ‘other’. Please do not allow the true villains of our time to misdirect your legitimate grievances about their malfeasance onto the targets of their exploitation. Asking why you spent time learning “proper English” is a reasonable question to ask yourself; claiming that it’s “almost racist” to use English in the US or Canada is fatuous. Wherever you picked that up from, don’t follow those people any more. They are trying to make you into a fool.

Each of us has limited time and energy. That someone else might have to spend that energy on something other than what you think they should says less about their motivation or intent than it does about the difficult circumstances of their life. Other people aren’t bad or wrong, or unworthy of care or protection or a reasonable quality of life, because they make different choices, or come from different places, or have different priorities. I hope everyone here can find themselves spending more time and energy on uplifting this community and others, and less on bringing an inculcated culture of grievance into this space. The blame for our collective discontent lies almost entirely on the avaricious and warmongering few who are hoarding most of the world’s prosperity for themselves. Don’t let them steal your empathy for your fellow man too.

None of us gets things right all of the time; it is only by being open to ideas from others, and by the willingness of others to offer us grace in the moments where we make mistakes, that we are able to learn and improve as individuals and as a species. I hope that will be the outcome here today. I apologise for being uncharacteristically soapboxy in this moment, and hope that things can start to steer back on topic from now.

Thanks,

I find your blaming the warmongering few hoarding the world's prosperity to be a political devisive statement akin to leftist, socialist, or communist statements and don't believe you are difusing the conversation at all , instead just using your power to force people to either agree with you or remain silent.

I suggest you edit your post to remain neutral, if what you really care about is neural civility on this site. Otherwise ban me and continue on like all the "tolerant" do.

Given for how many years you have been a member here, and given that the central idea of what I wrote is about not attacking those with less power, saying I’m “using my power to force people to agree or remain silent” is certainly an interesting perspective! Anyone here is allowed to disagree with anything that I say. If you’d like, go ahead and create a new topic that lays out your case for how I am being divisive and power tripping. But please don’t continue to derail this thread.

Well said.

I wont be brow beaten for having legitimate complaints or criticism of the reality around me. If observations offend you then that's not my issue. Though I'd rather get back on topic but long winded blowhard performative virtue is just cringe.

Law212 wrote on 2026-07-08, 17:58:

We had an employee tell us that the brand new laptop we sent them was a used refurb and wanted a new one. I asked how she thought that and she said Ai told her.

that's funny though, not just the fact that a employee's main concern is "gimme a new laptop" - itself a bold career move! its also the idea that an LLM guided by "the keyboard looks a bit dirty" "there's a funny sound when it starts", "the power cable is dusty" concludes its a refurb - its basically been told its a refurb 😀

AI bubble will explode eventually , but will be a little bit longer to do so.

AI has it s uses. The main issue now is that AI is being FORCED down our throats and not let loose for people to discover it by themselves and take what they want from AI.

My major concern is personal PC's... i do NOT want them to dissapear. I do NOT want to live in a world where i have a monitor and a internet connection with a rented router from the ISP and I have to pay per month to nvidia to play a game , etc. there should be laws. DO NOT let these huge companies take our hardware and our own processing power. that would be worst than linving in North Korea with mr dictator. that will be the surrender of the human race to the 1%.

The AI bubble will burst as soon as the supply catches up with demand.
Thats why the companies are not racing to build new manufacturing equipment to increase output.

Companies are dumping a lot of investment into tech that just isnt returning any money for them.
They "know it will" but for now its just a hope, in much the same way as the early .coms did in the 90s.
The earliest it can happen is late 2026, but more likely to be 2028.

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2026-07-10, 15:25:

The AI bubble will burst as soon as the supply catches up with demand. Thats why the companies are not racing to build new manuf […]
Show full quote

The AI bubble will burst as soon as the supply catches up with demand.
Thats why the companies are not racing to build new manufacturing equipment to increase output.

Companies are dumping a lot of investment into tech that just isnt returning any money for them.
They "know it will" but for now its just a hope, in much the same way as the early .coms did in the 90s.
The earliest it can happen is late 2026, but more likely to be 2028.

where is this demand? think there is oversupply now as it is.

bitzu101 wrote on 2026-07-10, 17:09:

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2026-07-10, 15:25:

The AI bubble will burst as soon as the supply catches up with demand. Thats why the companies are not racing to build new manuf […]
Show full quote

The AI bubble will burst as soon as the supply catches up with demand.
Thats why the companies are not racing to build new manufacturing equipment to increase output.

Companies are dumping a lot of investment into tech that just isnt returning any money for them.
They "know it will" but for now its just a hope, in much the same way as the early .coms did in the 90s.
The earliest it can happen is late 2026, but more likely to be 2028.

where is this demand? think there is oversupply now as it is.

Who:
Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Meta, Apple and Tesla.
Why:
Massive, gigantic training clusters, Inference farms, AI cloud farms, recommendation engines. This is 70-80% of global demand.
What:
GPUs. H100, H200, B200, MI300 and GH200.
RAM. DDR5 RDIMMs and HBM3E
NVME. U.2/U.3 enterprise SSDs

They smaller players are the AI startups. Think Mistral AI, xAI, Cohere, AI21 Labs, Aleph Alpha and Stability AI.
Theyre at risk because they are competing with the big corp players in the game. There are many others, Leonardo.ai, Higgsfield AI... they are compute resouce hungry but the monitisation is fuzzy.
Then there are smaller companies who want to get in on the act, spent a lot of cash and already crashed out due to the high costs and no return in the time required.

This bubble will hit hard because so many are involved. Even companies that should otherwise be safe will be hit as they are starting to use AI as a cost but no sustaiability for what they are doing.

When the second hand tech hits the market you wont want because its packaged in enterprise level tech, like U.2 and GPUs you never heard of. it will take a while for the companies SK Hynix to name only one to get back to their bread n butter sales.

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2026-07-10, 18:43:

Who: Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Meta, Apple and Tesla. Why: Massive, gigantic training clusters, Inference farms, AI cloud farms […]
Show full quote

bitzu101 wrote on 2026-07-10, 17:09:

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2026-07-10, 15:25:

The AI bubble will burst as soon as the supply catches up with demand. Thats why the companies are not racing to build new manuf […]
Show full quote

The AI bubble will burst as soon as the supply catches up with demand.
Thats why the companies are not racing to build new manufacturing equipment to increase output.

Companies are dumping a lot of investment into tech that just isnt returning any money for them.
They "know it will" but for now its just a hope, in much the same way as the early .coms did in the 90s.
The earliest it can happen is late 2026, but more likely to be 2028.

where is this demand? think there is oversupply now as it is.

Who:
Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Meta, Apple and Tesla.
Why:
Massive, gigantic training clusters, Inference farms, AI cloud farms, recommendation engines. This is 70-80% of global demand.
What:
GPUs. H100, H200, B200, MI300 and GH200.
RAM. DDR5 RDIMMs and HBM3E
NVME. U.2/U.3 enterprise SSDs

They smaller players are the AI startups. Think Mistral AI, xAI, Cohere, AI21 Labs, Aleph Alpha and Stability AI.
Theyre at risk because they are competing with the big corp players in the game. There are many others, Leonardo.ai, Higgsfield AI... they are compute resouce hungry but the monitisation is fuzzy.
Then there are smaller companies who want to get in on the act, spent a lot of cash and already crashed out due to the high costs and no return in the time required.

This bubble will hit hard because so many are involved. Even companies that should otherwise be safe will be hit as they are starting to use AI as a cost but no sustaiability for what they are doing.

When the second hand tech hits the market you wont want because its packaged in enterprise level tech, like U.2 and GPUs you never heard of. it will take a while for the companies SK Hynix to name only one to get back to their bread n butter sales.

but theres things ai can do that humans cant. I feel inadequate and need to use them to keep up. They can spout things ive never thought of. an indivual cant fight the machines. heh Fight the future and welcome to the machines