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Reply 59500 of 59520, by Trashbytes

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MattRocks wrote on Yesterday, 04:33:
PD2JK wrote on 2026-08-10, 12:54:

Well, I drenched it with foam cleaner, but still smelly. Tomorrow the 99.9% isopropyl alcohol comes in to play.

IIRC, what worked for me was putting the case in the bath tub with washing up liquid.

If its nicotine based gunk itll need something designed to counter the nicotine, when I cleaned the house we had to use specialised cleaning agents to remove the smell after the initial clean.

Reply 59501 of 59520, by Kekkula

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Got nice ibm ps2 model 50, all card slots populated. I saw in the sellers pictures that it had memory expansion card, but there was also cpu upgrade.
Now next step I think is to clean machine and open disk drive. What would be the best disk drive replacement option?
I couldn't get model 30 disk drive working, but on that model it was easy to replace with gotek.

Reply 59502 of 59520, by Trashbytes

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Not sure this belongs here but I did something I never thought I would ...bought myself a kitted out Playstation2 with a bunch of nice games.

Might seem odd but I never had a PS2 back in the day and with the shift to digital only games I thought it was time to pick up an older retro console and grab some physical games for it. (PS2 has a huge library of games I have never seen let alone played before, its quite daunting really picking where to start 😁) Been thinking of grabbing a modded Xbox too since I want to have alternatives to just PC hardware, don't get me wrong I love retro PC stuff but one cannot deny they beauty and simplicity of a retro console for pure gaming.

Anyway that's enough about retro consoles .. back to PC stuff I guess.

Reply 59503 of 59520, by Trashbytes

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Kekkula wrote on Yesterday, 04:41:

Got nice ibm ps2 model 50, all card slots populated. I saw in the sellers pictures that it had memory expansion card, but there was also cpu upgrade.
Now next step I think is to clean machine and open disk drive. What would be the best disk drive replacement option?
I couldn't get model 30 disk drive working, but on that model it was easy to replace with gotek.

I dont know the particulars about the model 50 but would a GoTek not work here ? or does it have a proprietary IBM interface ?

Reply 59504 of 59520, by Kekkula

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Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 05:07:
Kekkula wrote on Yesterday, 04:41:

Got nice ibm ps2 model 50, all card slots populated. I saw in the sellers pictures that it had memory expansion card, but there was also cpu upgrade.
Now next step I think is to clean machine and open disk drive. What would be the best disk drive replacement option?
I couldn't get model 30 disk drive working, but on that model it was easy to replace with gotek.

I dont know the particulars about the model 50 but would a GoTek not work here ? or does it have a proprietary IBM interface ?

Yes it is very ibm.
There is project in pcbway... but it doesn't mention model 50, knowing ibm that's problem.

https://www.pcbway.com/project/shareproject/I … s_34c4067f.html

Reply 59505 of 59520, by Trashbytes

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Kekkula wrote on Yesterday, 05:26:
Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 05:07:
Kekkula wrote on Yesterday, 04:41:

Got nice ibm ps2 model 50, all card slots populated. I saw in the sellers pictures that it had memory expansion card, but there was also cpu upgrade.
Now next step I think is to clean machine and open disk drive. What would be the best disk drive replacement option?
I couldn't get model 30 disk drive working, but on that model it was easy to replace with gotek.

I dont know the particulars about the model 50 but would a GoTek not work here ? or does it have a proprietary IBM interface ?

Yes it is very ibm.
There is project in pcbway... but it doesn't mention model 50, knowing ibm that's problem.

Ahhh yes, their all in one power and data delivery solution.

I vaguely remember someone talking about an adapter for that, might be worth digging around the internet to see if anything came of it.

https://github.com/schlae/PS2FloppyAdapter Github is still up, had the schematics, fab files and 3d printer files to print the adapter parts.

Reply 59506 of 59520, by Kekkula

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Thanks for the links.
There is model 50 mentioned.
I'm currently on sick leave broke my finger, so I can't recap original drive.
I think for now I just clean and test drive, recap it when I'm able again.

Reply 59507 of 59520, by Trashbytes

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Kekkula wrote on Yesterday, 05:39:
Thanks for the links. There is model 50 mentioned. I'm currently on sick leave broke my finger, so I can't recap original drive […]
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Thanks for the links.
There is model 50 mentioned.
I'm currently on sick leave broke my finger, so I can't recap original drive.
I think for now I just clean and test drive, recap it when I'm able again.

Its a good start for if the drive doesn't come back, you have another option to get her working again.

Reply 59508 of 59520, by MattRocks

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Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 04:37:
MattRocks wrote on Yesterday, 04:33:
PD2JK wrote on 2026-08-10, 12:54:

Well, I drenched it with foam cleaner, but still smelly. Tomorrow the 99.9% isopropyl alcohol comes in to play.

IIRC, what worked for me was putting the case in the bath tub with washing up liquid.

If its nicotine based gunk itll need something designed to counter the nicotine, when I cleaned the house we had to use specialised cleaning agents to remove the smell after the initial clean.

Hmm.. maybe the enzymes they sell to clean vomit off carpets would work.

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Reply 59509 of 59520, by BitWrangler

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MattRocks wrote on Yesterday, 08:36:
Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 04:37:
MattRocks wrote on Yesterday, 04:33:

IIRC, what worked for me was putting the case in the bath tub with washing up liquid.

If its nicotine based gunk itll need something designed to counter the nicotine, when I cleaned the house we had to use specialised cleaning agents to remove the smell after the initial clean.

Hmm.. maybe the enzymes they sell to clean vomit off carpets would work.

Oxidisers, anything like oxy clean, dish soap with oxidisers, vinegar ... now a lot of "facebook cleaning recipes" will go "Vinegar and Baking Soda!!!!" but mixed, that's just a complicated and more expensive way to use salty water on something. (Unless it's a drain clog where you put one then the other and the gas expansion does something mechanically, premixing pointless though) However, both individually can clean, and a baking soda wash AFTER vinegar will neutralise remaining acidity. But still need a good plain water rinse.

Obviously you don't want a long period of exposure to vinegar on the traces, no overnight soaks, half an hour is fine though unless you're boiling it in 20% acetic.

But you may need both an acid/oxidiser and an alkaline/soapy cleaner because the smelly parts are an alkaloid that needs taking out, and the tarry parts are a oil/fat type thing that need saponifying or dissolving. Since one is bound in the other you might need to repeat the cycle to completely remove buildup if bad.

Citric acid is an alternate to vinegar.

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Reply 59510 of 59520, by andrea

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Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 04:37:
MattRocks wrote on Yesterday, 04:33:
PD2JK wrote on 2026-08-10, 12:54:

Well, I drenched it with foam cleaner, but still smelly. Tomorrow the 99.9% isopropyl alcohol comes in to play.

IIRC, what worked for me was putting the case in the bath tub with washing up liquid.

If its nicotine based gunk itll need something designed to counter the nicotine, when I cleaned the house we had to use specialised cleaning agents to remove the smell after the initial clean.

To clean a computer almost as bad as that I used a regular spray degreaser and a wide soft paintbrush in the shower. Rinsed everything after with regular tap water and then afterwards i put the boards i cared about in a container full of distilled water to rinse them again.
In hindsight the distilled water step was probably too much, you can probably do just the tap water, let it mostly dry and then dump some alcohol under the chips, in the sockets and where water might stagnate.

The only thing I didn't bother with was the PSU, a gutless wonder that went straight in the bin, the optical drive that surprisingly was immaculate inside, and most of the fans.
But if you let it dry properly I don't see any issue with washing the power supply too. Trafos are enameled, capacitors and semiconductors are sealed, and if water gets in them they were already bad to begin with.

This is what I used
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It's supposedly based only on plant extracts, it melted the tobacco tar quite easily and the smell was also gone. And as a side effect I now have a HD7770 that has a slight basil smell.

Reply 59511 of 59520, by DaveDDS

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PD2JK wrote on 2026-08-09, 19:48:

I'm not very fond of Dell systems ...

I've done pretty well with Dells .. Quick count - I've got 6 of them.
There's prebuilt systems I like more, but Dells have worked well for me.

Most are older, have actual RS-232 serial ports (which I use a LOT to control
various devices I make). Build quality seems OK.

I did kinda "luck out" at one time - I did some work for a company that used Dells pretty much exclusively - bought new, but ran Linux on most of them.

The Dells came with a "Win7 pro" recovery DVD, which was specifically for Dell and recognized a Windows key embedded in the Dell BIOS. And you would often see these DVDs in the garbage. One day I grabbed about 1/2 dozen of them.

And... every Dell I have seems to have the needed key - I was able to put legit Win7Pro on all of them without worrying about keys.

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Reply 59512 of 59520, by Dothan Burger

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I'm swooping up all the NOS built by ATi Radeons I can get my hands on. Saw this NOS All-In-Blunder 8500 for $69 (instant buy)

Reply 59513 of 59520, by ElectroSoldier

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ChrisK wrote on 2026-06-04, 11:58:

The ASROCK board I think doesn't have a real AGP port. It's different from the 775i65G(no V) variant.
But not sure atm. Just want to say have an eye on that.

PcBytes wrote on 2026-06-04, 18:18:
ChrisK wrote on 2026-06-04, 11:58:

The ASROCK board I think doesn't have a real AGP port. It's different from the 775i65G(no V) variant.
But not sure atm. Just want to say have an eye on that.

Purple AGP = fake AGP. That's how ASRock got AGP on non-AGP chipsets (845GV, 865GV), using their "AGI" branded slot.
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asrock … 5i65gv-rev-1-00

Its not fake AGP, its just PCI in an AGP slot.
Cards run in 33MHz PCI fall back mode. Thats why Asrock called it AGI not AGP.
The Intel 865GV has no AGP controller, the only way to get AGP cards to work on budget chipsets like this was to wire the PCI bus into an AGP slot.
For the time it worked ok, it served a purpose back then, now its one of those curiosities of the time that deserves its place in the hands of a retro PC lovers hands.
Its not great as a retro gaming board though, which is why they are cheap because theyre avoided by most because of its poor performance.
The one desirable board is the 775i65G because the G variant of the chipset has an AGP controller.
I can confirm the 775i65G is a great little Win98 retro rocket, stable and fast and runs 9800XT, X800 XL and X850XT AGP cards no problem at all. It also supports E6700

Dothan Burger wrote on Yesterday, 23:27:

I'm swooping up all the NOS built by ATi Radeons I can get my hands on. Saw this NOS All-In-Blunder 8500 for $69 (instant buy)

A nice new looking box like that is worth $69 by itself!

Good find!

8500 is one of my "loved and lost" cards...
Had it back in the day and sold it, regretted it for years!

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Dothan Burger wrote on Yesterday, 23:27:

I'm swooping up all the NOS built by ATi Radeons I can get my hands on. Saw this NOS All-In-Blunder 8500 for $69 (instant buy)

I would pay $69 just for the box!

Reply 59515 of 59520, by Dothan Burger

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ElectroSoldier wrote on Yesterday, 23:45:
Dothan Burger wrote on Yesterday, 23:27:

I'm swooping up all the NOS built by ATi Radeons I can get my hands on. Saw this NOS All-In-Blunder 8500 for $69 (instant buy)

I would pay $69 just for the box!

It was priced like an 8500DV. This has to be one of the best R200's you can get, with 3.3ns Infineon memory.

I was an early Radeon DDR adopter then I skipped the 8500 for Geforce3. Truform on RTCW has been something I've wanted to try for a while.

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Dan386DX wrote on 2026-07-30, 20:35:
ASUS A8N-VM Socket 939 motherboard Opteron 148 […]
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ASUS A8N-VM Socket 939 motherboard
Opteron 148

Question - why are 2003 Socket 754 boards, and OG 2003 Athlon 64 CPUs so rare, bordering on unobtainium? At least in the UK.

Late 754 from 2005, bundled with Semprons, when they'd become the budget option are everywhere. But I struggle to find a single 2003 board or CPU.

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Reply 59517 of 59520, by MattRocks

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Dothan Burger wrote on Yesterday, 23:27:

I'm swooping up all the NOS built by ATi Radeons I can get my hands on. Saw this NOS All-In-Blunder 8500 for $69 (instant buy)

Delicious. Where did you find it?

.. and what's in the box? 😉

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Reply 59518 of 59520, by Dothan Burger

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MattRocks wrote on Today, 04:29:
Dothan Burger wrote on Yesterday, 23:27:

I'm swooping up all the NOS built by ATi Radeons I can get my hands on. Saw this NOS All-In-Blunder 8500 for $69 (instant buy)

Delicious. Where did you find it?

.. and what's in the box? 😉

Ebay... It's complete

Reply 59519 of 59520, by SlowA

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Cute MSI, pretty rare combination of nForce4 & Socket 754 (in my country):
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