Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 11:47:

LOTR was trash too but it was enjoyable trash, the Hobbit is best left forgotten in the archive of movies that should have never […]
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appiah4 wrote on Yesterday, 06:58:

dr_st wrote on 2026-08-25, 13:39:

I watched it. I didn't know the source material very well, only the basic outline. Was it really that big of a deviation from the source, compared to the average movie adaptation? More than Peter Jackson's LOTR, esp. the last part? (never mind The Hobbit) Enough to call it "utter trash"?

No it was not. The oddyssey is a thousands year old porm that probably had so many variations from Homer's original oral accounts to this day that speaking of an authentic one true narration is absurd. Same people who shit on Nolan's Oddyssey tend to love Jackson's LOTR which actually changed the source material even more. Don't even get me started on Hobbit. This is all internet vitriol, the movie was good and the political messages it slipped in were subtle and imo well deserved. It is also not the firstntime Ulysses was depicted as a downbeat and traumatized war hero. The Return also did that, and even better.

LOTR was trash too but it was enjoyable trash, the Hobbit is best left forgotten in the archive of movies that should have never been filmed along with the Odyssey and Titanic.
As for the political messaging .. I don't need Hollywood doing that in Movies, I go to see a movie to have fun not be lectured to by the Elites of Hollywood on topics they have zero place talking about. Its like being told how to spend my money by the super rich ..the utter arrogance.

This is all off topic and runs the risk of getting the thread locked .. which is likely for the best.

Political and moralist messaging isn’t the issue.

It’s poor writing that you notice.

Old long form movies (those made before 1970, excluding shorts) actually had much more political and unidirectional moralistic messaging in them woven into the plot. (There are long hair philosophical assessments of most every early to 1970 film that spell out the politics of each one)
Anyone who says Grapes of Wrath or even some of the Elvis fluff films lack it are just ignorant of “other” ways of messaging for or against a scene, a type of person or social issues.

Most old movies are preaching or making fun of social issues but you didn’t notice or care because the characters and events demonstrate the issue in practice as opposed to a literal direct restatement of their stance.
Some very popular old films had some extremely controversial , offensive subtext but casual viewers didn’t notice and those that did had thicker skin as it’s just fantasy.

As an aside many modern films you likely take issue with are likely ones I haven’t watched and won’t watch until years later if a dvd releases.
When I watch them I likely won’t care about their messaging but I will care about poorly integrated plot, poor acting (many times as a result of disrespecting the audiences intelligence by trying to just have the character make statements as opposed to being tactful plot and narrative driven),
characters that exist to gain focus, but have nothing to do and lack any relevance to the plot, feeling glued in, which is disrespectful to the actor and the character is my main gripe these days.
The it’s there and happening because I say so is overused ad nauseum.

But that’s just par for the course now, old movies had to actually have a cohesive plot, thick dense subtext, set pieces and competent character growth similar to a novel because they had nothing else to fall on, modern movies have stuff flying around and happening for the visuals then try to make a plot and character lines that fit into the nonsense they want to show.

In my mind this has a lot to do with heavy corporate influence on film bending to the strange things that appeal to Chinese audiences alongside the extreme capitalist corporate accelerated timelines that have to push out a steady stream of slop making up losses in foreign markets.

Believe it or not the downfall of daytime soaps and theater can be directly traced to a reduced pool of competent actors. The issue was so bad that new soaps and theater productions have recently been created as loss leaders to act as a training ground for new talent.
Your extras on set can no longer be counted on as being fully trained actors, which oddly years ago there was a surplus.

Without low budget fluff to throw concepts at a wall, the amount of truly interesting cinema is going to continue to decline with simplistic, poorly executed plots becoming the norm. While dense thought provoking somewhat hidden narratives will become rare.

Even if I don’t always agree with RLM , they are pretty spot on with a lot of their commentary.

The ancient mechanical story board technique of fill in the blank for each character one would use in highschool would go a long mile to improving “the random stuff happens” movies we get now.

That said, if you don’t like something don’t watch it, if other people like it, that’s fine.
Worth noting the Odyssey has been done as nauseum over the years, making it into a new thing is inevitable and it ain’t history either so it’s no sacred cow. In 5 years when I watch it I will express my true opinion.

I personally have enjoyed a few really blatant poorly scripted modern films but perhaps for the wrong reasons.
He-man comes to mind, even though it was very competently executed ,
even if some of the cast were visually disgusted by the source material and the ending was a screw you to the audience
unfortunate they will probably never release the silly “ if an alien watched the She-ra and made it into a movie” , movie because Gen Alpha isn’t interested in He-man.
The way they handled it was good enough and honestly that’s all we can expect most of the time.

If I can't 'ahoy there matey' the console, I'm not interested. So if it will have a hard drive and digital files, I'll be in when the price drops and someones hacked it and the internets speeds are fast enough to download said file sizes and if I can be ar***. On a side note I did like to play Yakuza 0 on my PS4 pro earlier this year using physical media. Disc wouldn't load multiple times, work around was to lay it vertically and it works so physical media, yeah

rmay635703 wrote on Yesterday, 17:36:

Political and moralist messaging isn’t the issue. […]
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Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 11:47:

LOTR was trash too but it was enjoyable trash, the Hobbit is best left forgotten in the archive of movies that should have never […]
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appiah4 wrote on Yesterday, 06:58:

No it was not. The oddyssey is a thousands year old porm that probably had so many variations from Homer's original oral accounts to this day that speaking of an authentic one true narration is absurd. Same people who shit on Nolan's Oddyssey tend to love Jackson's LOTR which actually changed the source material even more. Don't even get me started on Hobbit. This is all internet vitriol, the movie was good and the political messages it slipped in were subtle and imo well deserved. It is also not the firstntime Ulysses was depicted as a downbeat and traumatized war hero. The Return also did that, and even better.

LOTR was trash too but it was enjoyable trash, the Hobbit is best left forgotten in the archive of movies that should have never been filmed along with the Odyssey and Titanic.
As for the political messaging .. I don't need Hollywood doing that in Movies, I go to see a movie to have fun not be lectured to by the Elites of Hollywood on topics they have zero place talking about. Its like being told how to spend my money by the super rich ..the utter arrogance.

This is all off topic and runs the risk of getting the thread locked .. which is likely for the best.

Political and moralist messaging isn’t the issue.

It’s poor writing that you notice.

Old long form movies (those made before 1970, excluding shorts) actually had much more political and unidirectional moralistic messaging in them woven into the plot. (There are long hair philosophical assessments of most every early to 1970 film that spell out the politics of each one)
Anyone who says Grapes of Wrath or even some of the Elvis fluff films lack it are just ignorant of “other” ways of messaging for or against a scene, a type of person or social issues.

Most old movies are preaching or making fun of social issues but you didn’t notice or care because the characters and events demonstrate the issue in practice as opposed to a literal direct restatement of their stance.
Some very popular old films had some extremely controversial , offensive subtext but casual viewers didn’t notice and those that did had thicker skin as it’s just fantasy.

As an aside many modern films you likely take issue with are likely ones I haven’t watched and won’t watch until years later if a dvd releases.
When I watch them I likely won’t care about their messaging but I will care about poorly integrated plot, poor acting (many times as a result of disrespecting the audiences intelligence by trying to just have the character make statements as opposed to being tactful plot and narrative driven),
characters that exist to gain focus, but have nothing to do and lack any relevance to the plot, feeling glued in, which is disrespectful to the actor and the character is my main gripe these days.
The it’s there and happening because I say so is overused ad nauseum.

But that’s just par for the course now, old movies had to actually have a cohesive plot, thick dense subtext, set pieces and competent character growth similar to a novel because they had nothing else to fall on, modern movies have stuff flying around and happening for the visuals then try to make a plot and character lines that fit into the nonsense they want to show.

In my mind this has a lot to do with heavy corporate influence on film bending to the strange things that appeal to Chinese audiences alongside the extreme capitalist corporate accelerated timelines that have to push out a steady stream of slop making up losses in foreign markets.

Believe it or not the downfall of daytime soaps and theater can be directly traced to a reduced pool of competent actors. The issue was so bad that new soaps and theater productions have recently been created as loss leaders to act as a training ground for new talent.
Your extras on set can no longer be counted on as being fully trained actors, which oddly years ago there was a surplus.

Without low budget fluff to throw concepts at a wall, the amount of truly interesting cinema is going to continue to decline with simplistic, poorly executed plots becoming the norm. While dense thought provoking somewhat hidden narratives will become rare.

Even if I don’t always agree with RLM , they are pretty spot on with a lot of their commentary.

The ancient mechanical story board technique of fill in the blank for each character one would use in highschool would go a long mile to improving “the random stuff happens” movies we get now.

That said, if you don’t like something don’t watch it, if other people like it, that’s fine.
Worth noting the Odyssey has been done as nauseum over the years, making it into a new thing is inevitable and it ain’t history either so it’s no sacred cow. In 5 years when I watch it I will express my true opinion.

I personally have enjoyed a few really blatant poorly scripted modern films but perhaps for the wrong reasons.
He-man comes to mind, even though it was very competently executed ,
even if some of the cast were visually disgusted by the source material and the ending was a screw you to the audience
unfortunate they will probably never release the silly “ if an alien watched the She-ra and made it into a movie” , movie because Gen Alpha isn’t interested in He-man.
The way they handled it was good enough and honestly that’s all we can expect most of the time.

I mean, there are some things here I can get behind but, particularly in the context of Oddyssey, the "poor writing is the issue" argument is outright wrong.

appiah4 wrote on Today, 08:01:

rmay635703 wrote on Yesterday, 17:36:

Political and moralist messaging isn’t the issue. […]
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Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 11:47:

LOTR was trash too but it was enjoyable trash, the Hobbit is best left forgotten in the archive of movies that should have never been filmed along with the Odyssey and Titanic.
As for the political messaging .. I don't need Hollywood doing that in Movies, I go to see a movie to have fun not be lectured to by the Elites of Hollywood on topics they have zero place talking about. Its like being told how to spend my money by the super rich ..the utter arrogance.

This is all off topic and runs the risk of getting the thread locked .. which is likely for the best.

Political and moralist messaging isn’t the issue.

It’s poor writing that you notice.

Old long form movies (those made before 1970, excluding shorts) actually had much more political and unidirectional moralistic messaging in them woven into the plot. (There are long hair philosophical assessments of most every early to 1970 film that spell out the politics of each one)
Anyone who says Grapes of Wrath or even some of the Elvis fluff films lack it are just ignorant of “other” ways of messaging for or against a scene, a type of person or social issues.

Most old movies are preaching or making fun of social issues but you didn’t notice or care because the characters and events demonstrate the issue in practice as opposed to a literal direct restatement of their stance.
Some very popular old films had some extremely controversial , offensive subtext but casual viewers didn’t notice and those that did had thicker skin as it’s just fantasy.

As an aside many modern films you likely take issue with are likely ones I haven’t watched and won’t watch until years later if a dvd releases.
When I watch them I likely won’t care about their messaging but I will care about poorly integrated plot, poor acting (many times as a result of disrespecting the audiences intelligence by trying to just have the character make statements as opposed to being tactful plot and narrative driven),
characters that exist to gain focus, but have nothing to do and lack any relevance to the plot, feeling glued in, which is disrespectful to the actor and the character is my main gripe these days.
The it’s there and happening because I say so is overused ad nauseum.

But that’s just par for the course now, old movies had to actually have a cohesive plot, thick dense subtext, set pieces and competent character growth similar to a novel because they had nothing else to fall on, modern movies have stuff flying around and happening for the visuals then try to make a plot and character lines that fit into the nonsense they want to show.

In my mind this has a lot to do with heavy corporate influence on film bending to the strange things that appeal to Chinese audiences alongside the extreme capitalist corporate accelerated timelines that have to push out a steady stream of slop making up losses in foreign markets.

Believe it or not the downfall of daytime soaps and theater can be directly traced to a reduced pool of competent actors. The issue was so bad that new soaps and theater productions have recently been created as loss leaders to act as a training ground for new talent.
Your extras on set can no longer be counted on as being fully trained actors, which oddly years ago there was a surplus.

Without low budget fluff to throw concepts at a wall, the amount of truly interesting cinema is going to continue to decline with simplistic, poorly executed plots becoming the norm. While dense thought provoking somewhat hidden narratives will become rare.

Even if I don’t always agree with RLM , they are pretty spot on with a lot of their commentary.

The ancient mechanical story board technique of fill in the blank for each character one would use in highschool would go a long mile to improving “the random stuff happens” movies we get now.

That said, if you don’t like something don’t watch it, if other people like it, that’s fine.
Worth noting the Odyssey has been done as nauseum over the years, making it into a new thing is inevitable and it ain’t history either so it’s no sacred cow. In 5 years when I watch it I will express my true opinion.

I personally have enjoyed a few really blatant poorly scripted modern films but perhaps for the wrong reasons.
He-man comes to mind, even though it was very competently executed ,
even if some of the cast were visually disgusted by the source material and the ending was a screw you to the audience
unfortunate they will probably never release the silly “ if an alien watched the She-ra and made it into a movie” , movie because Gen Alpha isn’t interested in He-man.
The way they handled it was good enough and honestly that’s all we can expect most of the time.

I mean, there are some things here I can get behind but, particularly in the context of Oddyssey, the "poor writing is the issue" argument is outright wrong.

The lady that wrote the adaptation Nolan used for the film said he got it so very wrong, he missed the entire point of the Odyssey and dislikes the movie greatly.
While I don't agree with her politics I can fully get behind her point of view in regards to the film.

Nolan missed the entire point and instead made a film to win an Oscar . .naturally he will win because he is the poster boy for Hollywood's messaging and ideology. The sheep will of course go lap it up because its got his name attached to it and the usual suspects in the MSM will defend it because they are owned by the same media machine that runs Hollywood.

Me ...not even if it was free.

May I suggest you guys continue the movie discussion here: General Cinema Topic

On topic, contrary to what Sony is doing, Xbox at least gave its customers an option to carry over their physical game collection to the next-gen console: Xbox's Disc-to-Digital Programme Is Official, and It Starts Next Week

The critical thing here is that the programme still allows for used game sales, game borrowing and so on. If you buy a disc, convert it to digital, then sell it on, whoever inserts it next into their Xbox console will get the entitlement for their account and remove it from yours - which seems fair enough.

Not a perfect solution, but at least it's something. Sony hasn't yet announced if/how physical PS4 and PS5 games will run on the PS6.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on Today, 09:45:

On topic, contrary to what Sony is doing, Xbox at least gave its customers an option to carry over their physical game collection to the next-gen console: Xbox's Disc-to-Digital Programme Is Official, and It Starts Next Week

The critical thing here is that the programme still allows for used game sales, game borrowing and so on. If you buy a disc, convert it to digital, then sell it on, whoever inserts it next into their Xbox console will get the entitlement for their account and remove it from yours - which seems fair enough.

Not a perfect solution, but at least it's something. Sony hasn't yet announced if/how physical PS4 and PS5 games will run on the PS6.

I have a suspicion they wont at least not initially and not with out Sony finding a way to charge for the service and they will no doubt make it as restrictive as they can get away with. They took another huge L today with their little spat about making sure PlayStation owners know their rights in regards to ownership and licensing, general gist is you own nothing and we can revoke your access to your games at any time for any reason or no reason at all and there isn't shit you can do about it. Safe to say that went down about as well as you would expect.

The Xbox solution isn't elegant and has its own set of problems but as you said its a step in the right direction.

Trashbytes wrote on Today, 10:05:

Joseph_Joestar wrote on Today, 09:45:

On topic, contrary to what Sony is doing, Xbox at least gave its customers an option to carry over their physical game collection to the next-gen console: Xbox's Disc-to-Digital Programme Is Official, and It Starts Next Week

The critical thing here is that the programme still allows for used game sales, game borrowing and so on. If you buy a disc, convert it to digital, then sell it on, whoever inserts it next into their Xbox console will get the entitlement for their account and remove it from yours - which seems fair enough.

Not a perfect solution, but at least it's something. Sony hasn't yet announced if/how physical PS4 and PS5 games will run on the PS6.

I have a suspicion they wont at least not initially and not with out Sony finding a way to charge for the service and they will no doubt make it as restrictive as they can get away with. They took another huge L today with their little spat about making sure PlayStation owners know their rights in regards to ownership and licensing, general gist is you own nothing and we can revoke your access to your games at any time for any reason or no reason at all and there isn't shit you can do about it. Safe to say that went down about as well as you would expect.

The Xbox solution isn't elegant and has its own set of problems but as you said its a step in the right direction.

The problem is none of us have infinite storage to hold all the stuff we want, it's unpaid labor maintaining our private archives for what for our collection to disappear because we have to jump through hoops like a timeshare passing annual maintenance costs which will go up to keep something here which will be obsolete next Gen and likely not work on the same hardware in years and you can't emulate this to a tee. I have YouTube premium, Google One and of course I know I won't own it but it's an infinite jukebox and music I can't reasonably find at stores. Subscribe and we lessen the headache for you.. long car rides don't want to repeat CDs well subscribe to this service and we give you tracks you never heard of.

Radio stations only play hits and you deal with ads that aren't normalize in audio.

The future is licenses like my Wii u has Mario kart 8 preloaded on it and what can I do about it? Nothing when the console dies the game dies with it

I need cloud storage to act as my 321 system, back then we had home servers but now they cost a fortune. I used a Dell desktop then used Ubuntu server and learned how to do file sharing and Internet connection sharing and it was tough because the nic cards weren't supported by default. I gave up and put back what os it had I think windows XP. Now a simple router with a USB port does the job way easier

I wanted to summarize a few points and clarify why many console gamers prefer physical to digital games. People from the PC space might not be aware of some of these issues, since that platform went fully digital long ago.

1) Ownership. The license for a digital game can be revoked by the platform holder at any time, for any reason. This isn't some hypothetical, overly pessimistic vision of the future, it has happened before. And if we're talking PlayStation specifically, so far 377 games have been delisted from the PS4 store. Yet many of them can still be bought physically.

2) Content alteration. A digital game can be forcibly updated to change/remove any content, at any time, for any reason. There's no way to roll back the update once applied, though you could technically prevent it from being downloaded by keeping the console offline. Again, this has happened before with the removal of licensed in-game music. If you own a physical disc, you at least have the option to install the retail version of the game, and then refuse to download any updates.

3) Trading/resale. Obviously, you can't trade in or sell a digital game. With physical games, the second-hand market can provide some good deals. Not all people are lifelong collectors, and sometimes selling a game and using that money to buy a new (or used) one can be beneficial.

4) Pricing. On consoles, players can only buy digital games from a single storefront. No competitive pricing, you pay what the publisher sets, and that's it. You can still get discounts through seasonal sales and such, but again, zero competition. With physical games, third-party stores can sell them at discounted prices as they see fit. Sales are more frequent, and the discounts are sometimes deeper than what you get on the digital store. And of course, used games (which some stores also offer) are cheaper than new ones.

5) Long-term preservation. With most physical games (yes, even on the PS5) you can install them without needing an internet connection, or any access to the company's servers. See here for more details. You just need the console and the controller, nothing else. If your hardware works 20 years from now, so will your game. On the other hand, console digital storefronts close down after a certain point, servers go offline, and you may not be able to revisit your favorite game 20 years down the road. As an example, this has happened with the Xbox 360 store.

Again, these are just a few points that console gamers are making. So far, Sony hasn't addressed any of them in their official statements.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on Today, 12:13:

I wanted to summarize a few points and clarify why many console gamers prefer physical to digital games. People from the PC spac […]
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I wanted to summarize a few points and clarify why many console gamers prefer physical to digital games. People from the PC space might not be aware of some of these issues, since that platform went fully digital long ago.

1) Ownership. The license for a digital game can be revoked by the platform holder at any time, for any reason. This isn't some hypothetical, overly pessimistic vision of the future, it has happened before. And if we're talking PlayStation specifically, so far 377 games have been delisted from the PS4 store. Yet many of them can still be bought physically.

2) Content alteration. A digital game can be forcibly updated to change/remove any content, at any time, for any reason. There's no way to roll back the update once applied, though you could technically prevent it from being downloaded by keeping the console offline. Again, this has happened before with the removal of licensed in-game music. If you own a physical disc, you at least have the option to install the retail version of the game, and then refuse to download any updates.

3) Trading/resale. Obviously, you can't trade in or sell a digital game. With physical games, the second-hand market can provide some good deals. Not all people are lifelong collectors, and sometimes selling a game and using that money to buy a new (or used) one can be beneficial.

4) Pricing. On consoles, players can only buy digital games from a single storefront. No competitive pricing, you pay what the publisher sets, and that's it. You can still get discounts through seasonal sales and such, but again, zero competition. With physical games, third-party stores can sell them at discounted prices as they see fit. Sales are more frequent, and the discounts are sometimes deeper than what you get on the digital store. And of course, used games (which some stores also offer) are cheaper than new ones.

5) Long-term preservation. With most physical games (yes, even on the PS5) you can install them without needing an internet connection, or any access to the company's servers. See here for more details. You just need the console and the controller, nothing else. If your hardware works 20 years from now, so will your game. On the other hand, console digital storefronts close down after a certain point, servers go offline, and you may not be able to revisit your favorite game 20 years down the road. As an example, this has happened with the Xbox 360 store.

Again, these are just a few points that console gamers are making. So far, Sony hasn't addressed any of them in their official statements.

maybe sony is doing it to kill scalpers you know buy limited release games then sell it back for a profit.

twiz11 wrote on Today, 14:04:

Joseph_Joestar wrote on Today, 12:13:

I wanted to summarize a few points and clarify why many console gamers prefer physical to digital games. People from the PC spac […]
Show full quote

I wanted to summarize a few points and clarify why many console gamers prefer physical to digital games. People from the PC space might not be aware of some of these issues, since that platform went fully digital long ago.

1) Ownership. The license for a digital game can be revoked by the platform holder at any time, for any reason. This isn't some hypothetical, overly pessimistic vision of the future, it has happened before. And if we're talking PlayStation specifically, so far 377 games have been delisted from the PS4 store. Yet many of them can still be bought physically.

2) Content alteration. A digital game can be forcibly updated to change/remove any content, at any time, for any reason. There's no way to roll back the update once applied, though you could technically prevent it from being downloaded by keeping the console offline. Again, this has happened before with the removal of licensed in-game music. If you own a physical disc, you at least have the option to install the retail version of the game, and then refuse to download any updates.

3) Trading/resale. Obviously, you can't trade in or sell a digital game. With physical games, the second-hand market can provide some good deals. Not all people are lifelong collectors, and sometimes selling a game and using that money to buy a new (or used) one can be beneficial.

4) Pricing. On consoles, players can only buy digital games from a single storefront. No competitive pricing, you pay what the publisher sets, and that's it. You can still get discounts through seasonal sales and such, but again, zero competition. With physical games, third-party stores can sell them at discounted prices as they see fit. Sales are more frequent, and the discounts are sometimes deeper than what you get on the digital store. And of course, used games (which some stores also offer) are cheaper than new ones.

5) Long-term preservation. With most physical games (yes, even on the PS5) you can install them without needing an internet connection, or any access to the company's servers. See here for more details. You just need the console and the controller, nothing else. If your hardware works 20 years from now, so will your game. On the other hand, console digital storefronts close down after a certain point, servers go offline, and you may not be able to revisit your favorite game 20 years down the road. As an example, this has happened with the Xbox 360 store.

Again, these are just a few points that console gamers are making. So far, Sony hasn't addressed any of them in their official statements.

maybe sony is doing it to kill scalpers you know buy limited release games then sell it back for a profit.

Sony doesn't get a cut from the secondhand market .. this is a big issue for them as they sell these games on their store for full price. I'm sure you see why they hate the secondhand reseller market, they want you buying that game at full price even when its been out 5 years not going to a reseller and buying it for 5 bucks of which they get nothing.

Forcing you to use their digital store where they set the pricing and they are the only market is their plan, its why they pulled out of PC gaming even though it was making them money hand over fist, Steam was getting a cut of that money and Sony doesn't just want some of it they want ALL of it. I have little doubt they also hated the Steam sales, cant remember the last time their digital store had a sale like Steam does it.

Also there is word of Sony moving to a surge pricing system for their store, where an AI will determine how much you can afford to spend on a game based on your past purchases and what time of year it is and will set the price accordingly...yeah that shit is about to happen too. I feel other Stores may have already been testing this system for a while.

So yeah, get used to not owning anything on your Sony console and being ok with that, at this point you don't even own that console as Sony can brick it remotely if they wanted to, not that Sony is alone in this fact .. Nintendo has the same ability with the Switch2

Trashbytes wrote on Today, 14:16:

So yeah, get used to not owning anything on your Sony console and being ok with that, at this point you don't even own that console as Sony can brick it remotely if they wanted to, not that Sony is alone in this fact .. Nintendo has the same ability with the Switch2

This has been a thing for ~20 years ever since consoles started being connected online and being able to update themselves. Easily avoided by not letting the console connect, which is why there was such an uproar when the XB1 was first declared to be an "always online" console.

jmarsh wrote on Today, 14:29:

Trashbytes wrote on Today, 14:16:

So yeah, get used to not owning anything on your Sony console and being ok with that, at this point you don't even own that console as Sony can brick it remotely if they wanted to, not that Sony is alone in this fact .. Nintendo has the same ability with the Switch2

This has been a thing for ~20 years ever since consoles started being connected online and being able to update themselves. Easily avoided by not letting the console connect, which is why there was such an uproar when the XB1 was first declared to be an "always online" console.

Yeah but it was never enforced and in many countries couldn't be enforced legally as a EULA doesn't override consumer protections.. Sony recently made sure they could, same way Nintendo did for the Switch2.

before it was just a threat now its a promise and one they can enforce legally.

Trashbytes wrote on Today, 14:16:

Sony doesn't get a cut from the secondhand market .. this is a big issue for them as they sell these games on their store for fu […]
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Sony doesn't get a cut from the secondhand market .. this is a big issue for them as they sell these games on their store for full price. I'm sure you see why they hate the secondhand reseller market, they want you buying that game at full price even when its been out 5 years not going to a reseller and buying it for 5 bucks of which they get nothing.

Forcing you to use their digital store where they set the pricing and they are the only market is their plan, its why they pulled out of PC gaming even though it was making them money hand over fist, Steam was getting a cut of that money and Sony doesn't just want some of it they want ALL of it. I have little doubt they also hated the Steam sales, cant remember the last time their digital store had a sale like Steam does it.

Also there is word of Sony moving to a surge pricing system for their store, where an AI will determine how much you can afford to spend on a game based on your past purchases and what time of year it is and will set the price accordingly...yeah that shit is about to happen too. I feel other Stores may have already been testing this system for a while.

So yeah, get used to not owning anything on your Sony console and being ok with that, at this point you don't even own that console as Sony can brick it remotely if they wanted to, not that Sony is alone in this fact .. Nintendo has the same ability with the Switch2

Sony is apart of the secondary market, but only barely, as parts, repair and accessories are technically in the secondary market.

Oddly enough the video game industry has run in a very similar way to the cars sales model but without brand aligned “dealerships”

The car makers discovered that they could just cut production and overprice new product.
This practice has kneecapped the used industry which has driven car sales into a permanent year over year downward trend where fewer cars sell each year that passes. Additionally the sales that do occur concentrate into fewer makers and models destroying consumer choice.

And they are doubling down on this as inventory goes through the roof and production costs increase.

Like the dog that catches the car getting everything you want destroys industries, by the car companies doing what they are, they have eliminated many first time car buyers from the market, history says those individuals are much much more likely to never buy a new car let alone own a car in general.

And the extreme failure going through the car market (massive repro levels, high inventory, ever increasing production costs from lower volume, shrinking sales in many segments) is caused by just negatively impacting the used market a little.

Sony trying to completely eliminate the secondary market while having “infinite “ expensive inventory is likely to go far worse and will result in the same shrinking market as fewer people will get involved with their product.

It used to be everyone knew you needed something to see and hold as the first sale was the most critical.
Without that first sale many will never participate in your ecosystem and will never have an affinity for your brand.
Worse because they want web only sales they will give up any prestige their brand may have held as most all consumers only buy the cheapest thing there is, (as other brands found they get cross shopped much more heavily against foreign marketplace products )
So Sony inadvertently will give Hongrong and no name toys the same competitive space they do.

On an off topic, it appears that making media for ps4-5 systems is no longer all that complicated.

Gotta wonder if 3rd parties will start popping their own media for use on Sony systems after Sony gives up being in business