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Reply 31680 of 31705, by Dothan Burger

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Ydee wrote on 2026-08-23, 08:45:
Dothan Burger wrote on 2026-08-22, 23:02:

Used the Via Vinyl driver the has great windows DOS box support.

Which one - you mean genuine VIA or another one?

Just the Via Vinyl AC97 driver. It came on a CD for industrial motherboards and I just let it search for it, the chip is a Ciruss logic though.

This i810 board is the only one I have that runs this Voodoo 4500 at 66mhz PCI.

Reply 31681 of 31705, by DaveDDS

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Resurected my 29 year old front yard "Halloween display" controller.

This was a DOS PC I setup and started using around 1997 (at least that's the date on most of the files) to drive a display we set up in our front yard every Halloween for many years. The display included:

About a dozen hand carved pumpkins (at least 2 were "giant"s) with controllable
lights in all of them, and LED "eyes" and speaker in the two biggest.
A spider on a motor which would go up/down at various times.
A coffin that would open/close at various times.
A skeleton with LED eyes that "jiggled" at various times.
A Raven what would fly back and forth across the front yard at various times.
Spotlights to highlight certain things at various times.
Plays spooky sounds and shows various halloween pictures on a large monitor we
would put in a front window.
Pumpkins talk back and forth (Light goes OFF and Eyes light when talking), telling
spooky jokes, making Halloween oriented comments etc.
+++ probably more than I've forgotten

In the last 10 years or so, there have been far fewer kids in our rural neighborhood and we stopped spending the 2-3 days it took to get it all set up and working.

It wasn't a dedicated PC, I actually used the system I originally developed ImageDisk on, which often got used for "other stuff".

I sold that system (it was a very good ImageDisk system) about 5-6 years ago and didn't think about the Halloween display (I thought we were done with it)

A few years back a friend who had been big part of "the production" moved into town and lives in a neighborhood with lots of kids - so this year I just got the idea to recreate the system. I thought I could do it with my P3 DOS Desktop (it has a Sb16, serial and parallel ports used to control "the yard") - but it turns out the "CSHOW" utility I had used to display the pics fails on a faster machine!

Fortunately due to ongoing requests to support ImageDisk I had made up a system with a second identical P1 mainboard: Re: Windows 95 on a Breadboard

So, I dug through my boxes, found an SBpro. stuffed it into the system. I also still had the interface box I had built to control all of this stuff from the PC parallel port, and was able to find a backup of the control software - and it all seems to work!

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For anyone interested, here is more detail on how the system worked:

It started with "CAM" a BASIC interpreted I had written so that a close friend who had a young handicapped child - this had all kinds of special interfaces so that he could build "learning stations" for his son:

1 - Standard PC keyboard and video display
2 - A separate Four-button input keypad
3 - Beeps and melodies via the PC speaker
4 - Sound input/output via a "Sound Blaster" card
5 - Text-to-speech via a "Sound Blaster" card
6 - Infa-red "remote" control of external devices
7 - Analog knobs, dials, levers etc.
8 - Digital I/O via "parallel" port.
9 - X10 "Home Control" devices via CP290 interface

I basically wrote the Halloween display controller in this dialect of BASIC and used it to control the above mentioned devices in my front yard (HALOWEEN.BAS is 172 lines)

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ImageDisk: rd/wr ANY floppy PChw can ; Micro-C: compiler for DOS+ManySmallCPU ; DDLINK: simple/small filetransfer(w/o netSW)via Lan/Lpt/Com

Reply 31682 of 31705, by Thermalwrong

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Just spent the last couple of days figuring out how the password works on the Toshiba T4700CT laptop I just got - it's an ex corporate one that used to belong to Rover Group, the defunct UK car company 😀
It had a "Password = " prompt on boot and I learnt the hard way that there's no easy bypass to the password on these Toshiba T4xxx series laptops, it instead uses a small serial EEPROM on one of the boards, connected to the PCMCIA controller gate array of all things.

Since it's not the only Toshiba T series I have, I ended up getting 3x passworded EEPROM dumps and two clear ones, then figured out how to read the password out - it's stored unencrypted in there as keyboard scan codes! Potentially once the chip is read out, it's quite trivial to then enter the correct password and clear it like this:

23 1e 26 12 1f 18 11 12 31
h a l e s o w e n

Much more info in this thread on VCFED since there was already a directly related post on there that's quite recent: https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/tos … m-dump.1257614/
Hopefully this has the potential to allow more people with T4500, 4600/4700/4800/4850/4900 & T6600 laptops to actually use them.

Reply 31683 of 31705, by Kekkula

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I bought Babylon 5 season 1 and 2 dvds from thrift store. So past few evenings I've been back to 90's. My daughter walked by and asked what year they were made, and I bluntly stated late 90's early 2000... later at the end of the episode copy right noticed 1993 , so again I felt bit older 😢...
Now I just have to reach out Neil from rmc and ask if he knows what hardware was used to render 3d scenes 🤪

Reply 31684 of 31705, by 80386SX

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Replacing the oxidized DIP sockets on a 386 board.

For that, trying out my new Chinese desoldering gun ; seriously, this thing is so useful - it saves a huge amount of time

Reply 31685 of 31705, by Trashbytes

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Kekkula wrote on 2026-08-24, 05:50:

I bought Babylon 5 season 1 and 2 dvds from thrift store. So past few evenings I've been back to 90's. My daughter walked by and asked what year they were made, and I bluntly stated late 90's early 2000... later at the end of the episode copy right noticed 1993 , so again I felt bit older 😢...
Now I just have to reach out Neil from rmc and ask if he knows what hardware was used to render 3d scenes 🤪

Lightwave 3D on Amigas was used.

Reply 31686 of 31705, by Ydee

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Dothan Burger wrote on 2026-08-23, 15:13:

Just the Via Vinyl AC97 driver. It came on a CD for industrial motherboards and I just let it search for it, the chip is a Ciruss logic though.

This i810 board is the only one I have that runs this Voodoo 4500 at 66mhz PCI.

So, if I understand correctly, you have a motherboard with an i810 and probably an ICH2 southbridge, likely a Cirrus Logic CS42xx codec, and it works for you in a Windows 98 DOS box with a VIA driver?
I thought you had a VIA codec (VT1xxx), which is why I was curious.

Reply 31687 of 31705, by MattRocks

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Thermalwrong wrote on 2026-08-24, 03:55:
Just spent the last couple of days figuring out how the password works on the Toshiba T4700CT laptop I just got - it's an ex cor […]
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Just spent the last couple of days figuring out how the password works on the Toshiba T4700CT laptop I just got - it's an ex corporate one that used to belong to Rover Group, the defunct UK car company 😀
It had a "Password = " prompt on boot and I learnt the hard way that there's no easy bypass to the password on these Toshiba T4xxx series laptops, it instead uses a small serial EEPROM on one of the boards, connected to the PCMCIA controller gate array of all things.

Since it's not the only Toshiba T series I have, I ended up getting 3x passworded EEPROM dumps and two clear ones, then figured out how to read the password out - it's stored unencrypted in there as keyboard scan codes! Potentially once the chip is read out, it's quite trivial to then enter the correct password and clear it like this:

23 1e 26 12 1f 18 11 12 31
h a l e s o w e n

Much more info in this thread on VCFED since there was already a directly related post on there that's quite recent: https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/tos … m-dump.1257614/
Hopefully this has the potential to allow more people with T4500, 4600/4700/4800/4850/4900 & T6600 laptops to actually use them.

That is exactly the kind of artefact I like: HDD intact?

We should never look at personal data but the data of Rover? Surely, that data could have very real archival value. And, there shouldn't really be personal data on a corporate laptop although HR records are a risk.

Your laptop dates from when Rover was owned by British Aerospace, and that makes it even more interesting - that is the era when Rover released new models that scared BMW and triggered the whole German takeover (they also rebadged Rover cars in USA as Sterling although that didn't end well). I imagine the content is encrypted but if you can find anything at all it may add a nice museum value: Rover Group word template, calendar of meetings with British Aerospace, etc. Maybe contact British Motor Museum and ask them if its okay to look inside, and if they are interested?

https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/

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Reply 31688 of 31705, by PTherapist

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Trashbytes wrote on 2026-08-24, 08:48:
Kekkula wrote on 2026-08-24, 05:50:

I bought Babylon 5 season 1 and 2 dvds from thrift store. So past few evenings I've been back to 90's. My daughter walked by and asked what year they were made, and I bluntly stated late 90's early 2000... later at the end of the episode copy right noticed 1993 , so again I felt bit older 😢...
Now I just have to reach out Neil from rmc and ask if he knows what hardware was used to render 3d scenes 🤪

Lightwave 3D on Amigas was used.

This is true for the original pilot episode "The Gathering" (not on the Season 1 DVD set) and a lot of the space special effects used in Season 1.

From Season 2 onwards, they'd switched to faster PCs and workstation farms for rendering. The quality of the special effects from then on is noticeably better.

Reply 31689 of 31705, by Trashbytes

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PTherapist wrote on 2026-08-24, 10:14:
Trashbytes wrote on 2026-08-24, 08:48:
Kekkula wrote on 2026-08-24, 05:50:

I bought Babylon 5 season 1 and 2 dvds from thrift store. So past few evenings I've been back to 90's. My daughter walked by and asked what year they were made, and I bluntly stated late 90's early 2000... later at the end of the episode copy right noticed 1993 , so again I felt bit older 😢...
Now I just have to reach out Neil from rmc and ask if he knows what hardware was used to render 3d scenes 🤪

Lightwave 3D on Amigas was used.

This is true for the original pilot episode "The Gathering" (not on the Season 1 DVD set) and a lot of the space special effects used in Season 1.

From Season 2 onwards, they'd switched to faster PCs and workstation farms for rendering. The quality of the special effects from then on is noticeably better.

Yeah, this wasn't uncommon back then with how fast PC hardware was improving, but I doubt they redid all the 3d assets and scenes they reused from season 1, likely just imported them from LW3D for use with the PC render boxes.

http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/making/effects.html this site doesnt use HTTPS but it has a lot of interesting info about the setup.

Quoted from the site, for people who dont want to go to an unsecure connection.

From Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz, Foundation Imaging animator
The general composition of our FX shots, including camera moves, are dictated by the feeling of a scene. If JMS writes a big action scene, we'll move around a lot to convey that mood - if the scene has a somber tone, the moves will be slower to reflect this. Everything is dictated by story - a swooping camera move just for the sake of it can very easily draw your attention to the effect and away from the story - something we have no desire to do.
Interestingly enough, big swooping camera moves aren't something we can do very often for a good reason: you have no points of reference in space. Next time you're driving around, look at the clouds. using only them as reference, it seems as if you're standing still - even at 120 MPH! Now let's move into space, where your only reference are stars and planets - it doesn't matter how fast you move the camera, it's going to look as if you're standing still. In addition, without the background moving, if you move a camera past a ship it tends to look as if the ship is moving, which is why you will almost never see a shot of the camera moving past Babylon 5.

All this is why we tend to bank the camera a lot (twist it from side to side) - it's a way of adding camera motion to the scene without bothersome perspective problems!

From coproducer George Johnsen
Are Macintoshes used in the production?
Even though the Joe uses "another" platform, the show actually uses many! Macs have been essential to the creation of the show from the beginning. Even farther back, the Amiga and the Newtek Toaster were employed.

Currently we use Pentiums and Alphas for animation, Macs for Editing, Matte paintings and Compositing, and SGI's for Compositing and titling. If that isn't platform independent, I don't know what is!

The arsenal looks like the following-
Alphas for design stations serving 5 animators and one animation assistant (housekeeping and slate specialist). Most of these stations run Lightwave and a couple add Softimage. VERY plug-in hungry. PVR's on every station, with calibrated component NTSC (darn it, I hates ntsc) right beside.

P6's in quad enclosures for part of the renderstack, and Alphas for the rest, backed up 2x per day to an optical jukebox.

Completed shots output to a DDR post rendering and get integrated into the show.

Shots to composite go to the Macs running After Effects, or the SGI running Flint, depending on the type of comp being done, and then to the DDR (8 minutes capacity on the SGI).

Boy it sure sounds easy! The only problem is, we have a killer schedule and very picky producers, and ESPECIALLY picky viewers! 😀

It is, however, a bunch of fun!

Reply 31690 of 31705, by Dothan Burger

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Ydee wrote on 2026-08-24, 08:58:
Dothan Burger wrote on 2026-08-23, 15:13:

Just the Via Vinyl AC97 driver. It came on a CD for industrial motherboards and I just let it search for it, the chip is a Ciruss logic though.

This i810 board is the only one I have that runs this Voodoo 4500 at 66mhz PCI.

So, if I understand correctly, you have a motherboard with an i810 and probably an ICH2 southbridge, likely a Cirrus Logic CS42xx codec, and it works for you in a Windows 98 DOS box with a VIA driver?
I thought you had a VIA codec (VT1xxx), which is why I was curious.

Yeah that's the gist of it. Maybe the cadenza driver I found would be better? But I'm just happy this project has sound, just a decent little spare Lan party box.

Reply 31691 of 31705, by TELVM

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^ Glad to find fellow fans of B5 here at Vogons! 😀 👍

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Reply 31692 of 31705, by STX

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I saw Nessie in SimCity 2000, but I didn't press the Print Screen key quickly enough to capture proof. I know what I saw though!

Reply 31693 of 31705, by versawizkid2002

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BitWrangler wrote on 2026-08-23, 12:35:
versawizkid2002 wrote on 2026-08-23, 08:36:
Just this past Friday, I got a bunch of PCI cards for free off the same guy I got the R9K Pro All-in-Wonder from. One of the car […]
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Just this past Friday, I got a bunch of PCI cards for free off the same guy I got the R9K Pro All-in-Wonder from. One of the cards was an AGP thing, a Dell GeForce4 Ti4200! Tested it in my AGP testbench and it seems to work just fine!

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4200s usually make better 4600s than 4600s do, due to not having BGA RAM that desolders itself.

Oh wow really? I'm gonna have to see how well this Dell OEM 64MB card does .

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Reply 31694 of 31705, by versawizkid2002

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Probably should have consolidated what I want to say here into the previous post, but I'm not going back and editing it... so a new one it will be.
I saw a lot of three old motherboards on eBay yesterday and sent an offer on them that got accepted. They are an Asus A8N5X, Asus A7A66, and Gigabyte GA-MA78GPM-UD2H that I can never remember the model number of - all AMD boards. I only really cared for the A7A66 as I was looking to do a fast P3 or Athlon build so I could have a better home for my Asus V8200 Deluxe GeForce3, but the 939 board could be useful for a bit for testing the Sempron 3500+ and Athlon 64 X2 3800+ I got in the $15 CPU mystery box the other week.

A8N5X: Socket 939, Athlon 64 3500+ Venice, nForce4 chipset, manufactured September 2006
A7A266: Socket A, Athlon 1200C, ALi MAGiK 1 chipset, SDR/DDR combo board, manufactured 2001
GA-MA78GPM-UD2H: Socket AM2+, Athlon X2 5050e, AMD 780G chipset, microATX, manufactured 2009

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Reply 31695 of 31705, by MattRocks

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These are not recent purchases (I paid £22 for the pair) and work on them paused during the hottest months.

Today I started stripping down "broken" mystery boxes for parts to build my carefully curated AGP Liquid Edition video workstation, and I did not get very far.

It started with an AM3's BIOS misbehaving, displaying corrupted characters, failing to POST. This felt like a good donor. But after identifying and disconnecting one bad HDD the CMOS battery seems to have automagically recharged itself, the dual BIOS self-restored, and the system is booting Windows 7 Pro fully licensed from a pair of RAID 0 Raptors. It's just not broken. It is instead demonstrating well engineered resilience!

And it gets worse. The Gigabyte motherboard is now performing like new and can (probably) drive a new PCIe GPU for AI workloads alongside a proper PCI sound card for neutral audio; the PSU isn't showing signs of weakness either. The only good news is that the case is categorically unsuitable for AI workloads because I don't think the HDD caddies come out, but on balance (for my interests) this AM3 appears more functional than anything now sold in PC World. Today has not gone to plan.

In more setbacks, look at the gunk in another machine I was going to strip. I decided to stop stripping that for totally different reasons. Cleaning that might be an outdoor job for a very windy day! As an aside, this small case has one big open cavity that could host a big GPU so it's not all bad.

The dirty machine has been mentioned before. It's a ZooStorm office PC previously owned by the Shaftec Automotive Components Ltd in Birmingham (UK) that entered administration on 26 March 2026. The muck inside is informative because the external ports (USB, VGA etc.) are generally clean but the PCB and electronics are coated in a thick soot. That pattern suggests to me the workplace air probably seemed clean enough, but that very fine particulates in the air were present and accumulated on ventilated charged PC components. It's pretty gross.

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Reply 31696 of 31705, by King_Corduroy

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My retro activity for today has been visiting this site. 🤣 Been a long ass time since I've been on here. 😜

I did a bit of "retro" 3D modeling of a mech from Battletech though. Been playing Mech Warriors 2 and wanted to try and make the King Crab in the style of the models from Mechwarriors 2. 🤣

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Reply 31697 of 31705, by VanillaFairy

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Did more messing around on my Wii, this time deciding to challenge myself to get NetBSD up and functional with a few goals (namely getting wifi, getting the package manager working and getting a fastfetch screenshot, and also Netsurf and XFCE are my main end goals), and it might've taken until 2am but I did get most of those goals done at least!

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...I don't think I've had such a cursed fastfetch screenshot yet.
(And yeah I tried to set up a 16gb swap file but it took so long to make that I got bored and halted it when it was around 14.8 GiB)

For the most part it's functional. Obviously it's slow, but the default Xorg desktop environment was usable and wifi did even work thanks to NetBSD 11.
Though, I had to set pkgin to use NetBSD 10's package repositories because apparently NetBSD 11 just doesn't have most dependencies in its PowerPC repositories. Like, I couldn't install pkgin from the NetBSD 11 repos, or fastfetch, and certainly not anything bigger or more complex.

And, the wifi was an issue too. My PC caused tons of interference whenever it was on if I used my actual home wifi (to the point where trying to install packages almost always stalled and never recovered), and using a mobile hotspot worked at first but randomly broke and never started working again.
I also almost bricked the install while trying to setup the wifi card, though I managed to recover it by taking config files from another NetBSD Wii install that I hadn't messed with & hence that I hadn't broken.

I think today I'm going to try to see just how much I can get working. I installed Netsurf last night (and Luakit too), but haven't properly tested either yet. and of course I want to try for a better desktop environment, probably XFCE, as well.

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Reply 31698 of 31705, by MattRocks

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Given the severity and stickiness of its greasy carbon I've not wanted to actually touch the yuck box more than I have done, but rather than lock it away and forget about it I instead turned to investigating the hard drive. I needed to clean the drive exterior first.

And despite it being a very mundane office PC, I learned quite a lot about its past. I've captured the pertinent points in a slide.

With some fiddling it looks like using the bonafide licensing I could potentially multi-boot this into Windows 7 Pro, Windows 8 Pro, and Windows 10 Pro. But, if I ever did boot it, I'd need to first remove the rest of the yuck that makes it what it is!

Desktop timeline [ MOS 7501 → 68030 → x86(P5/MMX) → x86(K6-2) → x86(K7*) → PPC(G3*) → x86-64(K8) → x86-64(Xeon) → x86-64(i5) → x86-64(i7) ] * lost

Reply 31699 of 31705, by versawizkid2002

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Bought an Nvidia Quadro K1200 low-profile graphics card (basically a GTX 750 with 4GB RAM for workstations) for a Dell OptiPlex 755 SFF I rescued from The Dump™. Was expecting to have to do an INF modification since Nvidia's website didn't have any Windows XP drivers for the K1200, but the standard issue 352.86 drivers installed pretty much just like they would have on a GeForce card and picked up the Quadro K1200 perfectly! I went with the older 352.86 driver as that seems to be the last one where monitor type detection works correctly... not like you're going to be running games made past 2011 on XP anyway.

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