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Reply 800 of 825, by fsinan

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Hwinfo needs a comparative benchmark module.

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Reply 801 of 825, by schlang

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no it doesnt

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PC#2: 486DX2-66 | 64MB | Riva128 | AWE64 | GUS PNP | PAS16
PC#3: 386DX-40 | 32MB | CL-GD5434 | SB Pro | GUS MAX | PAS16

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Reply 802 of 825, by StuckIn1999

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Just a simple FLOPS or Mem bandwith would be very nice. Something like CPUz has, just way less heavy for old HW

Reply 803 of 825, by fsinan

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StuckIn1999 wrote on 2025-12-08, 02:38:

Just a simple FLOPS or Mem bandwith would be very nice. Something like CPUz has, just way less heavy for old HW

Just like that.

System:1
Cyrix 5x86-120GP & X5-160ADZ
Lucky Star LS-486E
System:2
Intel DX4-WB & AMDDX4-120
PcChips M912 V1.7
System:3
AMD K6-2-475 & Cyrix 6x86MX PR-233
Asus P5A-B
System:4
UMC U5S-40
486UL-P101
System:5
P3 Coppermine 800EB
Gigabyte GA-6BX7

Reply 804 of 825, by fsinan

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StuckIn1999 wrote on 2025-12-08, 02:38:

Just a simple FLOPS or Mem bandwith would be very nice. Something like CPUz has, just way less heavy for old HW

Just like that.

System:1
Cyrix 5x86-120GP & X5-160ADZ
Lucky Star LS-486E
System:2
Intel DX4-WB & AMDDX4-120
PcChips M912 V1.7
System:3
AMD K6-2-475 & Cyrix 6x86MX PR-233
Asus P5A-B
System:4
UMC U5S-40
486UL-P101
System:5
P3 Coppermine 800EB
Gigabyte GA-6BX7

Reply 805 of 825, by Robbbert

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I've started using winget on Windows 10 to perform updates to various programs. One of these is HwInfo. The problem is that with the change from installer to just copying the new version in, is that the installed version as shown in registry is incorrect, so winget wants to do an unnecessary upgrade.

My request, is that when HWINFO is run, that it check to see if registry entries exist, if so, if the version info is incorrect then update those fields. Winget looks at the displayed version field, but may as well update the others as well. If there's no registry entries then do nothing.

Reply 806 of 825, by Robbbert

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Not implemented in the latest release 8.44, I wonder if the author even read it.

Reply 807 of 825, by Mumak

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I have read it, but don't consider this as a good solution. Running a portable build on a system with an installed version would overwrite this version and could cause issues with uninstall inforamtion.

Reply 808 of 825, by Robbbert

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There's no choice for 32-bit computers. I used to run the installer, but then that was taken away and only the portable version can be used. So I copy the portable exe on top of the previous one, but it doesn't update the uninstall info. What other choice do I have?

I guess I can make a reg file to update the fields myself.

Reply 809 of 825, by fsinan

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Hippo 15 board V1.11. Hwinfo reports it as Hippo12.

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Cyrix 5x86-120GP & X5-160ADZ
Lucky Star LS-486E
System:2
Intel DX4-WB & AMDDX4-120
PcChips M912 V1.7
System:3
AMD K6-2-475 & Cyrix 6x86MX PR-233
Asus P5A-B
System:4
UMC U5S-40
486UL-P101
System:5
P3 Coppermine 800EB
Gigabyte GA-6BX7

Reply 810 of 825, by Robbbert

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Not sure if this topic is still used, but I need to report a random bug on ver 8.48 for win9x computers.

The problem is that no drives appear in the hard disk list, no hard drives, no CDROM drives.

debug info is attached for one of the computers.

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Reply 811 of 825, by Mumak

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Robbbert wrote on 2026-06-25, 11:34:
Not sure if this topic is still used, but I need to report a random bug on ver 8.48 for win9x computers. […]
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Not sure if this topic is still used, but I need to report a random bug on ver 8.48 for win9x computers.

The problem is that no drives appear in the hard disk list, no hard drives, no CDROM drives.

debug info is attached for one of the computers.

The attachment debug.zip is no longer available

By default HWiNFO uses Safe Mode for IDE/(S)ATA Drive Scan, which relies on drivers to provide this data. However, that seems to sometimes fail on Win9x.
Try to set the mode to "Low-level IO Access".

Reply 812 of 825, by MattRocks

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Unfortunately eBay sellers sometimes use HWINFO as single source of truth when it's really a best guess based on a sample we can't see.

I think a really nice functional/reputational update to HWINFO would be to mark the lower confidence identifications "Provisional". My view is that doing this would encourage users to dig deeper and submit more details.

I also think a disclosure on how the identifications are made would be really good because users might then be stimulated to observe exceptions that are not currently invited.

Desktop timeline [ MOS 7501 → 68030 → x86(P5/MMX) → x86(K6-2) → x86(K7*) → PPC(G3*) → x86-64(K8) → x86-64(Xeon) → x86-64(i7) ] * lost

Reply 813 of 825, by Robbbert

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Mumak wrote on 2026-06-25, 12:51:
Robbbert wrote on 2026-06-25, 11:34:
Not sure if this topic is still used, but I need to report a random bug on ver 8.48 for win9x computers. […]
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Not sure if this topic is still used, but I need to report a random bug on ver 8.48 for win9x computers.

The problem is that no drives appear in the hard disk list, no hard drives, no CDROM drives.

debug info is attached for one of the computers.

The attachment debug.zip is no longer available

By default HWiNFO uses Safe Mode for IDE/(S)ATA Drive Scan, which relies on drivers to provide this data. However, that seems to sometimes fail on Win9x.
Try to set the mode to "Low-level IO Access".

Ah yes I forgot to respond to this. The suggestion works although then the smartdrive indicator doesn't work, I suppose this is expected.

Some other possible issues with the latest version is 1. sometimes crashes on exit on windows 95, and 2. sometimes drives might show twice, with different interfaces (various platforms).
If these are unexpected I can get more info.

Reply 814 of 825, by Mumak

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MattRocks wrote on Yesterday, 11:40:

Unfortunately eBay sellers sometimes use HWINFO as single source of truth when it's really a best guess based on a sample we can't see.

I think a really nice functional/reputational update to HWINFO would be to mark the lower confidence identifications "Provisional". My view is that doing this would encourage users to dig deeper and submit more details.

I also think a disclosure on how the identifications are made would be really good because users might then be stimulated to observe exceptions that are not currently invited.

Problem here is that even such "confidence level" is very difficult to estimate. In many cases we might be pretty confident about accuracy but due to some other factors that we're unable to reliably determine, the outcome can be different.
Our goal is to always provide most accurate results and avoid any "man in the middle". But this is sometimes impossible to achieve - on old systems due to the lack of sufficient indicators and on newer ones due to vendor secrecy.
There are also cases where we can retrieve very reliable (hard-coded ID data) but since various ODMs sometimes rename the parts for marketing reasons we were asked not to show the fused identification...

Reply 815 of 825, by MattRocks

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Mumak wrote on Yesterday, 13:23:
Problem here is that even such "confidence level" is very difficult to estimate. In many cases we might be pretty confident abou […]
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MattRocks wrote on Yesterday, 11:40:

Unfortunately eBay sellers sometimes use HWINFO as single source of truth when it's really a best guess based on a sample we can't see.

I think a really nice functional/reputational update to HWINFO would be to mark the lower confidence identifications "Provisional". My view is that doing this would encourage users to dig deeper and submit more details.

I also think a disclosure on how the identifications are made would be really good because users might then be stimulated to observe exceptions that are not currently invited.

Problem here is that even such "confidence level" is very difficult to estimate. In many cases we might be pretty confident about accuracy but due to some other factors that we're unable to reliably determine, the outcome can be different.
Our goal is to always provide most accurate results and avoid any "man in the middle". But this is sometimes impossible to achieve - on old systems due to the lack of sufficient indicators and on newer ones due to vendor secrecy.
There are also cases where we can retrieve very reliable (hard-coded ID data) but since various ODMs sometimes rename the parts for marketing reasons we were asked not to show the fused identification...

For items in my collection I have done quite a lot of work identifying specific products, and my conclusions sometimes conflict with HWINFO (and others). There's at least one example I posted on Vogons.org and RetroWeb subsequently aligned to the evidence I surfaced.

What do you propose be done in situations like that?

Desktop timeline [ MOS 7501 → 68030 → x86(P5/MMX) → x86(K6-2) → x86(K7*) → PPC(G3*) → x86-64(K8) → x86-64(Xeon) → x86-64(i7) ] * lost

Reply 816 of 825, by Mumak

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MattRocks wrote on Yesterday, 15:40:
Mumak wrote on Yesterday, 13:23:
Problem here is that even such "confidence level" is very difficult to estimate. In many cases we might be pretty confident abou […]
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MattRocks wrote on Yesterday, 11:40:

Unfortunately eBay sellers sometimes use HWINFO as single source of truth when it's really a best guess based on a sample we can't see.

I think a really nice functional/reputational update to HWINFO would be to mark the lower confidence identifications "Provisional". My view is that doing this would encourage users to dig deeper and submit more details.

I also think a disclosure on how the identifications are made would be really good because users might then be stimulated to observe exceptions that are not currently invited.

Problem here is that even such "confidence level" is very difficult to estimate. In many cases we might be pretty confident about accuracy but due to some other factors that we're unable to reliably determine, the outcome can be different.
Our goal is to always provide most accurate results and avoid any "man in the middle". But this is sometimes impossible to achieve - on old systems due to the lack of sufficient indicators and on newer ones due to vendor secrecy.
There are also cases where we can retrieve very reliable (hard-coded ID data) but since various ODMs sometimes rename the parts for marketing reasons we were asked not to show the fused identification...

For items in my collection I have done quite a lot of work identifying specific products, and my conclusions sometimes conflict with HWINFO (and others). There's at least one example I posted on Vogons.org and RetroWeb subsequently aligned to the evidence I surfaced.

What do you propose be done in situations like that?

Please provide more details about those cases so that I can investigate them.

Reply 817 of 825, by Barley

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Hello Mumak!

I have a fairly obscure bug to report. Memory reporting seems to be broken for my retro X79 motherboard in Windows XP. As far as I can tell, the last version of HWInfo that was able to correctly report on my memory was 7.64. See version 8.52 for the buggy reporting. My Z77 boards do just fine with the latest version. Thanks.

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Reply 818 of 825, by Mumak

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Barley wrote on Today, 15:10:
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Hello Mumak!

I have a fairly obscure bug to report. Memory reporting seems to be broken for my retro X79 motherboard in Windows XP. As far as I can tell, the last version of HWInfo that was able to correctly report on my memory was 7.64. See version 8.52 for the buggy reporting. My Z77 boards do just fine with the latest version. Thanks.

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Please provide HWiNFO Debug Files from both HWiNFO versions and I'll check that.

Reply 819 of 825, by Barley

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Mumak wrote on Today, 15:17:

Please provide HWiNFO Debug Files from both HWiNFO versions and I'll check that.

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