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Reply 40 of 44, by NorsteinB

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Jasin Natael wrote on 2026-06-26, 13:49:
Sounds like the GF4 makes a pretty significant difference, regardless. Not super surprising I suppose. I can't imagine needing […]
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Sounds like the GF4 makes a pretty significant difference, regardless. Not super surprising I suppose.
I can't imagine needing anything too exotic to cool the Nehemiah. They are pretty efficient chips, I've never had to supply additional voltage to mine and is happy as a clam at 1400/1466 and is FAIRLY stable even at 1500.
Anything more and it gets unstable quickly.
That's just with a standard aluminum Cooler Master PIII cooler.

IIRC I got two of these and neither wanted to go more than 1400 on stock voltage. Like SETMUL would freeze. We'll see.

Reply 41 of 44, by Jasin Natael

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NorsteinB wrote on 2026-09-09, 20:45:
Jasin Natael wrote on 2026-06-26, 13:49:
Sounds like the GF4 makes a pretty significant difference, regardless. Not super surprising I suppose. I can't imagine needing […]
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Sounds like the GF4 makes a pretty significant difference, regardless. Not super surprising I suppose.
I can't imagine needing anything too exotic to cool the Nehemiah. They are pretty efficient chips, I've never had to supply additional voltage to mine and is happy as a clam at 1400/1466 and is FAIRLY stable even at 1500.
Anything more and it gets unstable quickly.
That's just with a standard aluminum Cooler Master PIII cooler.

IIRC I got two of these and neither wanted to go more than 1400 on stock voltage. Like SETMUL would freeze. We'll see.

Yes I only have the one so I can't say as how overclockable they are in general.
It does seem like most people on here have been able to hit 1400mhz at least pretty easily.

Reply 42 of 44, by NorsteinB

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VIA's CPU declaration is a mess.

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The first one l0st most of the print on its heatspreader to nothing but regular thermal paste.

It looks noticeably different from the others because it has no surface components, but the bottom reveals the voltage: 1.35V can either be an Ezra or Ezra-T. POST screen does not differentiate, and default speed appears to be 800 MHz (133x6) which could be either.

I have some doubts that I will find out beyond doubt, because some tools cannot even tell the difference between Ezra and Nehemiah. Which is funny because 3DMark '99 can: with a Nehemiah, the benchmark will run fine but the frame counter will constantly count and display zero, giving you a false, abysmally low score even though the benchmark runs smooth.

The second one is the easiest. Says 1200A MHz and 1.45V. Now the 1.45V could either be Ezra-T or Nememiah, and I don't know what the A in 1200A stands for, but one thing is for sure, the Ezra-T never reached 1200 MHz, so this is a classic Nehemiah.

The third and fourth one are messy again - 800 MHz should be either a Samuel 2, Ezra, or Ezra-T. The logo was only used for Ezra and beyond. I bought them as the OEM CPU in Neoware CA2 thin clients. Those were advertised by Neoware themselves as containing Ezra 800 MHz CPUs. So the case should be clear. But it does have the pads and resistors only found on Nehemiah and Nehemiah+. The voltage is a giveaway, though: 1.25V - this can only be a Nehemiah+. And sure enough, although defaulting to 133x6 MHz, they run at 1.2 GHz at default voltage. In fact, I can set them to 1.4 GHz in SETMUL without raising the voltage at all, no issues. So I suspect these were supposed to run at 1200 to begin with.

Since they reach the 1200 MHz with .2V less than the original Nehemiah, they should overclock the best. IIRC though, both of them showed the exact same behavior both in the thin clients as well as on my Asus CUBX: could be set to 133x10.5 via SETMUL, would complete any number of benchmarks, no problem. Would instacrash whenever I set the frequency at 133x11, complete system freeze as soon as I sent the SETMUL command. TBH I don't recall how much voltage I gave them. Guess I'll try that. A good GPU for them is at my disposal, the GF4 Ti4600 can use a very low overhead 30.XX detonator driver and has no problems with the 89 MHz AGP frequency that a 133 MHz FSB does to an Intel 440BX board. Not sure about the cacheable areas, but I should have a few double sided 256MB SDR-133 modules for running 2x256.

Stay tuned!

Reply 43 of 44, by gerwin

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NorsteinB wrote on Today, 05:20:

I have some doubts that I will find out beyond doubt, because some tools cannot even tell the difference between Ezra and Nehemiah.

Visually it is confusing, but once some program like SetMul can run CPUID on the C3, things should become clear, see:
via c3 nehemiah motherboard compatability
F.M.S. Column in the second table there = CPUID Family, /Model, Stepping

--> ISA Soundcard Overview // Doom MBF 2.04 // SetMul

Reply 44 of 44, by NitroX infinity

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NorsteinB wrote on Today, 05:20:

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The second one is the easiest. Says 1200A MHz and 1.45V. Now the 1.45V could either be Ezra-T or Nememiah, and I don't know what the A in 1200A stands for, but one thing is for sure, the Ezra-T never reached 1200 MHz, so this is a classic Nehemiah.

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Looking at the list on Wikipedia. A seems to be socket370 and B & C seems to be BGA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_V ... 2_(130_nm)