VOGONS


First post, by blakespot

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

So, I ma building this 486-class box. I just added in an Adaptec AHA-1542 ISA SCSI card. It's setup and working fine with my HD. I have a CD-ROM on the SCSI bus and want to get it setup in DOS (I have DOS 6.22 installed on the HD) so that I can use the CD-ROM drive to install Windows 95C.

Searching on MSCDEX, etc. it seems that I need the Adaptec EZ-SCSI software to get the needed DOS driver. (It is not a bundled package w/ the SCSI card). I am in a bit of a Catch 22 if this is the case; I have an ethernet card and and intended to use it under 95 to grab whatever software, but I can't install 95 without the CD-ROM drive. I have a 3.5" floppy on the DOS box, of course, but I have no other PC with a floppy drive in the house to write out a disk for sneaker net. (I have an Amiga 2000 and an Apple IIgs that are on my LAN that can prob. write out to a 720K DOS floppy, though).

Does DOS 6.22 contain what I need already, or do I actually need this EZ-SCSI package? Or is the driver file itself avail and downloadable?

Thanks. At a standstill, sadly.

bp

:: Visit the Byte Cellar, my vintage computer blog (since 2004).
:: See a panorama of my own Byte Cellar (a.k.a. basement computer room)...
:: twitter: @blakespot

Reply 1 of 15, by Dominus

User metadata
Rank DOSBox Moderator
Rank
DOSBox Moderator

You need the adaptec drivers. It's called aspicd.sys or so.
Can you ping me in 7 hours or so and I can upload them for you (I still have my old dos 6.22/scsi setup on an image and just yestrday looked that part up to help mr.bigmouth with his mscdex problem). You will still need to defeat catch 22 😉
Perhaps a friend or anyone that can put it on a floppy?

Windows 3.1x guide for DOSBox
60 seconds guide to DOSBox
DOSBox SVN snapshot for macOS (10.4-11.x ppc/intel 32/64bit) notarized for gatekeeper

Reply 2 of 15, by blakespot

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

Ok.

I got ASPICD.SYS from here:
http://www.hiren.info/downloads/dos-files

I moved it to C:\DOS and have edited the files.

CONFIG.SYS:
DEVICE=C:\DOS\ASPICD.SYS /D:ASPICD01

AUTOEXEC.BAT:
C:\DOS\MSCDEX /D:ASPICD01 /L:G

...I get an error that ASPICD01 not found, no valid device driver present. This is with an Adaptec AHA-1542 with a Toshiba 6201 (or similar model #) 32x drive, internal.

Any ideas? Thanks.

bp

:: Visit the Byte Cellar, my vintage computer blog (since 2004).
:: See a panorama of my own Byte Cellar (a.k.a. basement computer room)...
:: twitter: @blakespot

Reply 3 of 15, by Dominus

User metadata
Rank DOSBox Moderator
Rank
DOSBox Moderator

I think you need to load the SCSI card driver first. In my case it was ASPI8DOS.SYS - can't remember whcih card I had back then, perhaps exactly that one...

My old config.sys had this:
DEVICE=C:\PROGRAMS\SCSI\ASPI8DOS.SYS /D
DEVICE=C:\PROGRAMS\SCSI\ASPICD.SYS /D:MSCD1_2

my autoexec.bat:
C:\DOS\MSCDEX.EXE /E /D:MSCD1_2 /M:4

So, yes, pretty sure you needed the card driver loaded first.

Windows 3.1x guide for DOSBox
60 seconds guide to DOSBox
DOSBox SVN snapshot for macOS (10.4-11.x ppc/intel 32/64bit) notarized for gatekeeper

Reply 4 of 15, by blakespot

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

I matched my scripts to yours, got the proper driver - getting this error.

The attachment photo-6.JPG is no longer available

Oy. Ideas?

bp

:: Visit the Byte Cellar, my vintage computer blog (since 2004).
:: See a panorama of my own Byte Cellar (a.k.a. basement computer room)...
:: twitter: @blakespot

Reply 5 of 15, by elianda

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t

Be sure that the DIP switch resource setting complies with the defaults the driver uses - or give the correct parameters.
To quote the readme that comes with the ASPI disk:

ASPI4DOS.SYS ------------ […]
Show full quote

ASPI4DOS.SYS
------------

ASPI4DOS.SYS is Adaptec's ASPI manager for the AHA-1540 and AHA-1640 host adapters

o For the AHA-1540C/CF/CP host adapters, the port address is set by the DIP switches.
The IRQ and DMA channel are set in the SCSISelect utility. The default is I/O port
330h, IRQ 11, and DMA 5.

o If the I/O port range is changed from the default of 330h, the selected port must
be added to the ASPI4DOS.SYS driver line with the parameter /Pxxx (x=the 3 digit
I/O port range selected via the DIP switch and displayed in SCSISelect)

ftp://ftp.brain.it/public/Driver/Adaptec/Dos% … tati/README.TXT

The SCSISelect Utility can be reached by pressing CTRL-A on boot detection and it displays the settings.

With defaults:
scsi_config.png

scsi_auto.png

scsi_output.png

Retronn.de - Vintage Hardware Gallery, Drivers, Guides, Videos. Now with file search
Youtube Channel
FTP Server - Driver Archive and more
DVI2PCIe alignment and 2D image quality measurement tool

Reply 6 of 15, by blakespot

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

All those settings are standard. That is not the problem.

What could the problem be?

bp

:: Visit the Byte Cellar, my vintage computer blog (since 2004).
:: See a panorama of my own Byte Cellar (a.k.a. basement computer room)...
:: twitter: @blakespot

Reply 7 of 15, by NJRoadfan

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

Some soundcards may set their MPU-401 interface to 330h, which may conflict with the SCSI card's default setting. Check that before proceeding. Your setup should be as follows

CONFIG.SYS:
DEVICE=C:\DRIVER\ASPI4DOS.SYS
DEVICE=C:\DRIVER\ASPICD.SYS /D:ASPICD01

Another thing to try would be the Windows 98SE boot disk. It loads the ASPI drivers and CD-ROM support on boot.

AUTOEXEC.BAT:
C:\DOS\MSCDEX.EXE /D:ASPICD01

assuming the ASPI driver loads, you should have a working CD-ROM drive.

Reply 8 of 15, by Mau1wurf1977

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

I'd be interested to know how SCSI CD-ROM drives go with some of the picky CD games like Wing Commander III, Descent II and the Pinball games. Especially all the CDDA tracks.

My website with reviews, demos, drivers, tutorials and more...
My YouTube channel

Reply 9 of 15, by Dominus

User metadata
Rank DOSBox Moderator
Rank
DOSBox Moderator

I remember having problems with WC3 but I was able to play through and it wasn't necessarily a problem with scsi but the drive. Can't remember which drive it was, though... 😉

Windows 3.1x guide for DOSBox
60 seconds guide to DOSBox
DOSBox SVN snapshot for macOS (10.4-11.x ppc/intel 32/64bit) notarized for gatekeeper

Reply 10 of 15, by elianda

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t

I don't remember those games specifically picky about the CD-ROM. I had WC IV running on a rather common setup of Adaptec 2940UW + Plextor PX-40TS and there were no problems at all. Actually I think that with SCSI most of the games work out-of-the-box since the whole back end uses DMA by default. This was always an additional effort to setup correctly with ATAPI (tricd.sys f.e. for Triton chipsets).

Correct CDDA handling is more an issue of the drive than of the interface.

Retronn.de - Vintage Hardware Gallery, Drivers, Guides, Videos. Now with file search
Youtube Channel
FTP Server - Driver Archive and more
DVI2PCIe alignment and 2D image quality measurement tool

Reply 12 of 15, by blakespot

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

So I want to install DamnSmallLinux (DSL) on this system and it needs to boot from the CD-ROM drive. The Adaptec SCSISelect menu settings have an option to enable boot from CD-ROM. It's enabled, but I'm not seeing booting from the attached CD-ROM drive. HD is SCSID 1, CD-ROM is SCSIID 4.

I am running this in an ASUS PVI-486SP3 where I have disabled the onboard IDE.

_Can_ I get auto boot from this card on this motherboard? Thanks.

bp

:: Visit the Byte Cellar, my vintage computer blog (since 2004).
:: See a panorama of my own Byte Cellar (a.k.a. basement computer room)...
:: twitter: @blakespot

Reply 13 of 15, by NJRoadfan

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

Yes, the CD-ROM booting function is part of the SCSI card's ROM and independent of the motherboard (assuming the revision is new enough to support El Torito). Is SCSISelect seeing the drive? It should show up on the list of devices when it scans the bus.

Reply 14 of 15, by blakespot

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

Yep, confirmed it has 2.10 BIOS with El Torito support. It sees the drive fine normally, and it spins during recognition at boot, but it does not boot from the CD.

http://distro.ibiblio.org/damnsmall/release_candidate/
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/download.html

Any other suggestions? Thanks.

bp

:: Visit the Byte Cellar, my vintage computer blog (since 2004).
:: See a panorama of my own Byte Cellar (a.k.a. basement computer room)...
:: twitter: @blakespot

Reply 15 of 15, by chrisNova777

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/manuals/Adapt … ion%20Guide.pdf
https://storage.microsemi.com/en-us/support/_ … raccess_doc.htm

are all the AHA- models bootable?
and all the AVA- models non-bootable? is that correct?

http://www.oldschooldaw.com | vintage PC/MAC MIDI/DAW | Asus mobo archive | Sound Modules | Vintage MIDI Interfaces
AM386DX40 | Asus VL/I-486SV2GX4 (486DX2-80) | GA586VX (p75) + r7000PCI | ABIT Be6 (pII-233) matroxG400 AGP