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First post, by soviet conscript

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what am I trying to do?
I'm trying to replace the 20MB MFM drive in my Packard Bell 500 8088 (replaced with NEC V20) with a CF card HDD.

Why?
first off because I don't trust MFM drives that are 20+ years old so much and second is to free up my 5.25 inch bay. I currently have a 720k floppy drive and a MFM hdd drive installed but what I want to do is lose the MFM drive and replace it with a 320kb floppy drive for booter games and for a that classic look. I figure I can do this by replacing the giant MFM drive with a CF card that will easily just hang in the case.

why I need help?
well, simply put I cant get any CF cards to work. I'm using an 8 bit Silicon Valley ADP50 IDE controller card to try to accomplish this. so far the only drive that will work with the card is the one that it was hooked up to in the PC it came with. a old IDE Quantum prodrive with DOS 5 installed and I think 512MB of space. I have tried 3 CF cards so far. a 32MB Sandisc industrial drive and a 64MB Cisco cf card. both cards are not seen and if I try to enter the C: prompt I get a "drive specification" error as if there is no C: drive present. Interestingly enough I also have a Cisco 32MB CF card that IS recognized but gives error. for instance I can get a C: prompt with this card installed but any attempt to read/write to the card results in a "divide overflow" error.

I have attempted to reformat the cards, activate "fixed disk mode" use newer and older style IDE cables, ran Fdisk on the CF cards on a different computer but to no avail. apart from just giving up and forgetting about the 360kb floppy drive If push comes to shove I think there's some room on the inside of the case to rig the Prodrive HDD up with some Velcro tape but this isn't a ideal solution. any ideas?

Reply 1 of 5, by konc

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Just a few thoughts that may (or may not) lead to a conclusion:
-Have you tried another <528MB real hard disk except the one it came with?
-If another hard disk also works but no CF, could it be the CF adapter I'm assuming you're using? Have you tried the same adapter+card on another pc? I read you tried to fdisk the cards on a different machine, but I don't know if you just inserted it in a card reader for example without using the adapter.

If everything else fails, you can always get an easy to build XT-IDE variant such as the ISA CompactFlash which uses only through-hole components. It works beautifully and I managed to assemble 2 of that worked on the first attempt and I'm far from being good at soldering.

Reply 2 of 5, by soviet conscript

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I've tried all of those things to no avail. I'm suspecting the issue has to do with the PB PC itself though since I tried the HDD controller in my 8086 machine and although I got a "not a system disk" error with the CF cards It detected and booted just fine from a 120mb and a 420mb IDE hdd that both refused to work in the Packard Bell.

I was wrong about the Prodrive that does work (and is the only HDD I have gotten to work) its a 52MB drive. I don't know whats so special about it that it works and no other drives don't. actually the 120mb drive that failed to work is also a quantum prodrive. I like the XT-IDE cards but
1) I suck at Soldering
2) I'm trying to save myself $60+

Reply 3 of 5, by konc

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OK I see you've tried everything possible, no more obvious suggestions from me...
I understand you're trying to refrain from getting an XT-IDE, but honestly the one with the through-hole components is really easy for anyone to solder. I suck at soldering too 😀 Plus, you can get one pre-assembled and tested right now (just checked). But again you're right and it's respected, it's not for free. It is only an alternative.

(btw, is your exact card model the one with jumpers labeled "E"x? The one where E5 enables/disables support for "old Conner drivers"? If so you could just give this a try too...)

Reply 4 of 5, by soviet conscript

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Yes, its the revision with the E jumpers.This is the card.
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I have no idea what any of the jumpers do as the only layout guides Ive found like this one http://museum.ttrk.ee/th99/c/S-T/20200.htm are are of different revisions. none of the jumpers are enabled, this is how the card came so I haven't changed anything. I've been told E3 may be the jumper to enable/disable BIOS but the card acts the same if its jumpered or not. Aslo as far as Conner drives, they seem to work in my Epson machine but not the Packard Bell 500.

I've used XT-IDE cards before, actually, I have a spare one but unfortunately there all sitting in a storage unit 2k miles away.

Reply 5 of 5, by konc

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Sorry, not the rev. I had in mind and the only one I am aware of. There doesn't seem to exist any considerable possibility of a faulty card since it's working with 1 HDD, so I rest my case and suggest trying to find some documentation on the jumpers.
About the rev. I had experience with (found it on some site like "total hardware", maybe it was that exact one, I don't remember any more) E5 was documented as something like "enable/disable old conner hard disks support"