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First post, by clueless1

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I've been working on this chart that shows 'typical' DOS performance from the 286 up to the P233MMX. I've gotten most of the results from Phil's VGA Database, some from my own Cachebench Database, and have derived some of the missing ones from the existing data. I've been sticking to the most common CPU types (Intel and AMD) just to keep the chart absorbable at a glance. The Speedtst scores I just pulled out of its own database (using most commonly occurring results). The results with 'REF' after their name are real scores taken from a database. The results with 'EST' after their name are derived ((derived results are still using real Speedtst numbers (if there are any for that cpu) from the Speedtst database)).

I have no data for 286s of any speed, so if any of you
a) have 286s you can run these benches on (with non-exotic settings that represent 'typical' performance)
b) can give me educated guesses
I'd really appreciate it. This is just for me at this point, for my own curiosity and interests. If there's enough interest, I'd be happy to stick it on a spreadsheet for others to contribute to, but that's not my expectation at this point. 😀

As an aside, is a 286 capable of running Doom? I know we have some slow 386 Doom results, and that some fast 286s are on par with slow 386s, so I'm curious if Doom on, say, a 286-16 would score similarly to the 386-16 currently at the bottom of my chart?

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Reply 2 of 12, by clueless1

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Ekb wrote:

"As an aside, is a 286 capable of running Doom?"

- No. Doom3D required 32-bit processor.

For statistic: Performance comparison of CPU: 286-25 vs 386DX-25 vs 386SX-25

Thanks. That means PCPBench and Speedsys also will not work on a 286. Good to know!

BTW, how did you run the Wolf3d benchmark? Is there a modified download somewhere with instructions?

Edit: I've taken some results from your thread and done some more research to find old benchmark results elsewhere. I've updated my chart and added Norton SI6. This chart is simply to give an estimate of how each processor would do in each of these benchmarks. In other words, "typical expected performance for a well-configured machine".

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Reply 5 of 12, by clueless1

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Spaseeba. 😉

EDIT: Here is an updated chart with some Wolf3D results. I took Ekb's results from his thread he linked to, along with my own results.

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Reply 8 of 12, by clueless1

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This is what I ended up with. Nowhere near perfect by any stretch, but it will do for ballpark estimating. The bulk of the results are real, taken from my own machines, Phil's VGA Benchmark Database, my Cachbench database, the Ultimate 486/686 Benchmark Comparisons stickied in Marvin, as well as some results taken from various threads on here as well as elsewhere on the web. The results that were still missing I derived from neighboring results.

The purpose of this chart is for anyone who is slowing their machine down to play speed sensitive games. This will help them pinpoint about where their machine is performing with whatever slowdown method they're using. Keep in mind that the results for PCPBench, Speedsys and Doom on the 286s are completely derived, as those benchmarks require a 386 or higher.

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Reply 9 of 12, by Stiletto

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Nice! Topbench is also pretty cool if you haven't checked it out. https://dosbenchmark.wordpress.com/

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Reply 10 of 12, by clueless1

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Stiletto wrote:

Nice! Topbench is also pretty cool if you haven't checked it out. https://dosbenchmark.wordpress.com/

Yeah, I have a bunch of Topbench numbers too. 😀 I just left them off because they tend to get really inconsistent with the faster cpu speeds and cache/turbo disabling. It was cool, though, that you could export their database into a modern spreadsheet.

Incidentally, I thought it was pretty cool in a coincidental sort of way that Wolf3D and Norton SI results were so consistent with each other from the 8088 all the way through the 386's. Wolf3D seems to scale accurately nto the 386 range, but beyond that it gets weird. 486s score better than Pentiums, for example. It must have something to do with how its coded (no Pentium optimizations back then?)

So it might make more sense to sort 386s and slower by Wolf3D, and sore 486s and higher by Doom.

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Reply 11 of 12, by Ekb

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clueless1: Excellent! 😀

But we must remember that 3Dbench (ver 2, cracked) do not operate below 286 due to counting errors. Need to use the original 3Dbench for XT, 286, Slow-386.

Кушайте на здоровье! 😀

Reply 12 of 12, by clueless1

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Ekb wrote:

clueless1: Excellent! 😀

But we must remember that 3Dbench (ver 2, cracked) do not operate below 286 due to counting errors. Need to use the original 3Dbench for XT, 286, Slow-386.

Кушайте на здоровье! 😀

Yes, of course. Thank you!

So here is how those 3Dbench numbers on that chart would work. Someone disables caches on their Pentium II and gets a 3dbench 1.0 score of 1.5. they can then estimate that their computer is operating at approximately a 4Mhz 286 level. Of course, they would probably be running some of the other benchmarks as well to get a more accurate feel of what speed slowed-down machine is running.

In fact, I think those 286-25 scores on this chart are yours. 😊

Благодарим Вас за Вашу работу по сравнению с 286-25 386-25 . Мой русский ужасен ! Я вырос в Америке , так что я потерял большую часть языка после того, как я начал ходить в школу. Я использую Google Translate , чтобы помочь с этим .

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OPL3 FM vs. Roland MT-32 vs. General MIDI DOS Game Comparison
Let's benchmark our systems with cache disabled
DOS PCI Graphics Card Benchmarks