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First post, by SRQ

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I found out that I happened to have a spare board that fits an OEM system with a riser in my last load of parts. Super goddamn lucky. With my 486 VLB board waiting on more cache, I want to put it together.
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The onboard is an S3 Trio32, I don't have anything else pre-1995. Is it like, /super/ slower than a 64? Or "Still more than enough for Doom II"
I want to run a Pentium 100. I have a 133, and a 75. Should I underclock the 133 or overclock the 75? Could either be run without a fan (large heat sink though.)
This board appears to have no cache and, oddly, came with an MMX 200- despite being socket 5 with a 1994. I found this really odd- but it boots with it. Weird since I thought the MMX series didn't work with S5.

E: Double odd? It has a turbo jumper. No idea if it works, but that means this was an MMX system with turbo!

Reply 1 of 8, by Hellistor

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I have a loose S3 Trio32. I could throw it into my Pentium 133MHz Machine, disable the cache, run some DoomII and Duke3d on it and report it here.

Dual 1GHz Pentium III machine
700MHz Pentium III machine
550MHz PIII IBM 300PL
Socket 7 machine, CPU yet undecided
100MHz AMD 486DX4 machine

Reply 2 of 8, by SRQ

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I'd appreciate it.
I have a PiI for Duke3D and later stuff, honestly all I care is "Will Doom II run well?" My plan is Doom 1 on 486 DX2, Doom 2 on Pentium. The logical top end choice when each game was new.
A hilarious project, but considering I have the parts- why not?

Reply 3 of 8, by Hellistor

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Alright so I tested it out. My Pentium-S at 133MHz with the (external) cache disabled and the S3 Trio32 runs Doom2 perfectly. Duke3d runs perfectly as well in normal resolution mode and is still "playable" in 640x480 Vesa mode. With the Trio64V+ (and cache) it can do 640x480 smoothly. So with a the CPU running at 100MHz you should be doing absolutely fine with this card in Doom II and even Duke3D to some extent.

Dual 1GHz Pentium III machine
700MHz Pentium III machine
550MHz PIII IBM 300PL
Socket 7 machine, CPU yet undecided
100MHz AMD 486DX4 machine

Reply 4 of 8, by Anonymous Coward

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Trio32 and Trio64 should have near identical performance in dos. Trio32 is I'll be a little slower in windows and support lower refresh rates, however.

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Reply 6 of 8, by SRQ

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So, considering all that- a high end 1994 system? I find I enjoy "High end for X year" more than "Fast" (I.E I enjoy running Doom on a 486 even if it might be slower than a PIII).
I wish I had cache, it uses oddly large modules- close to the size of video card memory. Not even sure what that's called to buy it.

Reply 7 of 8, by leileilol

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COASt (Cache on a Stick) modules

Also note that years on chips don't always indicate their release year. They can be put there over years of R&D without an update. Perhaps the 1994 system you want to build will have "1992" marked all over the '94 parts 😉

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Reply 8 of 8, by SRQ

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They aren't COAST- I have a board that takes those, and I actually have one... that fits a dead board.
This system is weird, I can't actually ID it. Pics later, but it has an HP bios. Came with an MMX 200 that reports as 130 in the bios (so does a pentium 75??), no cache, 32 megs of ram. Oddly it fits in this NEC OEM system that had said busted COAST-usable board.