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Reply 20 of 193, by havli

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Sounds like a fps limiter, search for "com_maxfps" in the q3config.cfg, it should be there. This for sure limits fps for normal gameplay, it should have no efect on the timedemo though.

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Reply 22 of 193, by Standard Def Steve

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Athlon XP 2800+ (2083MHz), nForce2, 2GB DDR-333, Radeon X1950Pro, onboard audio, XP SP3: 250.4 fps

I also re-tested my Surface 3 (Atom X7). 179 fps just seemed a little too low. After all, Intel HD is much newer than GMA X4500HD, which was able to hit 235fps with a Core 2 Duo. This time I ran the benchmark in full screen mode. Interestingly, this was the only machine that demonstrated a significant difference in performance between full screen and windowed mode. It's also my only Windows 10 system. Perhaps there's a correlation? The trouble with Win10 is that it always seems to be doing something in the background, making it much harder to accurately benchmark than Win7 or XP. Such a garbage OS. 😒

Here's the updated score:
Atom X7 Z8700 (1.6/2.4 Turbo), 4GB DDR3-1600, Intel HD, onboard audio, Win10-64: 196.4 fps

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Super P3: PIII-S @ 1.63 GHz/FSB155 | 2GB DDR-310 | 6800GT AGP | 500GB 7200 RPM
Super G4: 2x PowerPC 7455 @ 1.5 GHz | 2GB DDR-333 | 7800GS AGP | 300GB 10k RPM
Super G5: 4x PowerPC 970 @ 2.5 GHz | 16GB DDR2-533 | x1950XT PCIe | 512GB SSD

Reply 23 of 193, by dottoss

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486.6 FPS, dottoss, Geforce 6800 Ultra (AGP), Intel Pentium 4 EE 3.4 GHz Gallatin, Asus P4C800-E, 1GB DDR 400 CL2-2-2-5, WinME - 1024x768

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Reply 26 of 193, by Standard Def Steve

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dottoss wrote:

486.6 FPS, dottoss, Geforce 6800 Ultra (AGP), Intel Pentium 4 EE 3.4 GHz Gallatin, Asus P4C800-E, 1GB DDR 400 CL2-2-2-5, WinME - 1024x768

Dang! That's a really nice score. Almost as high as my 3.13GHz Opteron and nearly twice as high as my XP-2800+

I'm starting to wonder if I should re-test my older machines with an overclocked 6800GT + ancient drivers. 😜

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Super G5: 4x PowerPC 970 @ 2.5 GHz | 16GB DDR2-533 | x1950XT PCIe | 512GB SSD

Reply 27 of 193, by zerker

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Fired up the benchmark on my newly modified Retro PC, which fits pretty squarely in the 1999 category.

1346 frames, 38.0 seconds: 35.5 fps

Intel Pentium II-350
Intel SE440BX-2 Motherboard
Windows 98SE
192 MB RAM
3Dfx Voodoo 3 2000 PCI
Stock 3dfx Drivers Version 4.12.01.0666
3dfx Tools Version: 2.6.2.116

Per other compatibility runs, this was done with 16-bit color and bilinear, but otherwise per spec.

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Reply 28 of 193, by Kamerat

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Exchanged my GeForce DDR with a FX 5200 64 bit, it had no problems beating my GeForce DDR score at stock speed.

110.0 FPS, Kamerat, GeForce FX 5200 64 bit @ 250/530 MHz (71.89), dual Pentium III 800EB @ 796 MHz, Asus P2B-D (i440BX), 1024MB SDRAM PC133 CL2-2-2, XP-SP3

All results, as you can see the GPU clearly needs more bandwith.

FPS   GPU/RAM clocks
98.6 250/400 default
103.3 250/450
107.7 250/500
109.4 250/525
110.0 250/530
110.1 290/530
108.4 200/530
99.0 125/530
85.6 151/344 same clocks as my GeForce DDR run, RAM actually at half bandwith of my GeForce DDR

Nice to know that it's faster than my GeForce DDR as a couple of my slot 1 boards doesn't deliver enough power for the GeForce DDR.

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Reply 29 of 193, by dottoss

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havli wrote:

You can use any official Q3A version. Version 1.11 or demo 1.11 is reccommended though. https://www.fileplanet.com/34621/download/Quake3:-Arena-Demo Just type "timedemo 1" in the console and then run demo001.

Tested the q3a demo now instead of the RTM version, I loose bout 50 FPS using the Demo version. Do not know why and it is repeatable with different resolutions.

Standard Def Steve wrote:

Dang! That's a really nice score. Almost as high as my 3.13GHz Opteron and nearly twice as high as my XP-2800+
I'm starting to wonder if I should re-test my older machines with an overclocked 6800GT + ancient drivers. 😜

Please do, as I believe my setup is CPU bound and not yet GPU bound. Would be interested see how far the 6800 series would go 😀

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Reply 30 of 193, by GL1zdA

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Is anyone experiencing hang-ups with the 1.11 demo with r_smp enabled? Because I found it quite unstable on my Windows 2000 machine. Most of the time it hangs just before the menu appears but there were also hangups when the demo loads. No such thing when using the official 1.32c release.

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Reply 32 of 193, by dottoss

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GL1zdA wrote:

Is anyone experiencing hang-ups with the 1.11 demo with r_smp enabled? Because I found it quite unstable on my Windows 2000 machine. Most of the time it hangs just before the menu appears but there were also hangups when the demo loads. No such thing when using the official 1.32c release.

https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1049078 wrote:
Great suggestion, jusst when I needed it. No shit SMP and quake don't mix well. After some tinkering, I figured out that you hav […]
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Great suggestion, jusst when I needed it. No shit SMP and quake don't mix well. After some tinkering, I figured out that you have do the following when started:
r_smp 1
Then, before quiting, you hav to reset the value as such
r_smp 0
Otherwise, the next time you start, you either must edit the config, or you will crash before the id intro animation. I do not know how to use what the previous post mentioned, so I have not tested it. Does stating /realtime force it to only enable at certain points? Do you have to enter the command everytime you start Quake?
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P.S. - Sorry for the double post. Somehow, InfoPop screwed up. .

Perhaps something for you. In general, if I remember correctly r_smp was not enabled or automatic due to it's erratic issues when Quake 3 was released. I remember reading about it back in the days. I will see if I can find the source.

Reply 33 of 193, by GL1zdA

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It works quite well in 1.32c and the demo hangs exactly the moment described on arstechnica. The difference is significant unless you run Quake at resolutions when performance is fillrate limited by your GPU. With a QuadroFX 3000 (performance equal to a GeForce 5900) with two 800 MHz Pentium III Xeons at 1024x768 with HQ settings without r_smp I get 103 FPS, with r_smp enabled it goes to 147 FPS.

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Reply 34 of 193, by dottoss

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GL1zdA wrote:

It works quite well in 1.32c and the demo hangs exactly the moment described on arstechnica. The difference is significant unless you run Quake at resolutions when performance is fillrate limited by your GPU. With a QuadroFX 3000 (performance equal to a GeForce 5900) with two 800 MHz Pentium III Xeons at 1024x768 with HQ settings without r_smp I get 103 FPS, with r_smp enabled it goes to 147 FPS.

Accordning to this: http://www.tweak3d.net/faq/faq.html

"Note that it seems that all Windows 2000 drivers have the following issues at the moment:
You will not be able to enable SMP in Quake 3 Arena without Quake 3 Arena crashing. Read the 'How can I get SMP working with Quake 3 Arena under Windows 2000?' question for information on how to fix this.

They instead recommend using the smp command on the shortcut instead of a console command or cfg setting. I have no idea if it makes a different but you could try. Regarding your question; what would be different between original release and 1.32c; i have no idea, the release notes for each updates seems not to exist on google anymore.

"Q. How can I get SMP working with Quake 3 Arena under Windows 2000?
Thanks to lazerus and BankZ on the BP6.com messageboard for this solution:
Change your Quake 3 shortcut to read the following:
cmd.exe /c start /realtime C:\PROGRA~1\QUAKEI~1\QUAKE3.EXE +set r_smp 1
If you have installed Quake 3 in an alternative directory you should of course alter this to fit."

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Reply 35 of 193, by dexvx

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How do you guys setup the image share so that it uses Vogons?

I did the following 2 runs that fit under the 2002 GPU + CPU. Guessing the older 71.89 Nvidia works better, so I'll take that run.

244.2 fps, dexvx, EVGA GeForce4 Ti4600 297/650 (stock, 71.89), Northwood @ 3.06/133 (stock, 1C/1T), Asus P4S533 (SiS 645DX) mobo
241.8 fps, dexvx, EVGA GeForce4 Ti4600 297/650 (stock, 93.71), Northwood @ 3.06/133 (stock, 1C/1T), Asus P4S533 (SiS 645DX) mobo

Edit: Not quite sure what memory is running at. It's 1GB (2x 512MB) DDR-333 (auto to 4:5 cpu/mem ratio) 2.5-4-4-7

Reply 36 of 193, by slivercr

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dottoss wrote:
Accordning to this: http://www.tweak3d.net/faq/faq.html […]
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GL1zdA wrote:

It works quite well in 1.32c and the demo hangs exactly the moment described on arstechnica. The difference is significant unless you run Quake at resolutions when performance is fillrate limited by your GPU. With a QuadroFX 3000 (performance equal to a GeForce 5900) with two 800 MHz Pentium III Xeons at 1024x768 with HQ settings without r_smp I get 103 FPS, with r_smp enabled it goes to 147 FPS.

Accordning to this: http://www.tweak3d.net/faq/faq.html

"Note that it seems that all Windows 2000 drivers have the following issues at the moment:

You will not be able to enable SMP in Quake 3 Arena without Quake 3 Arena crashing. Read the 'How can I get SMP working with Quake 3 Arena under Windows 2000?' question for information on how to fix this.
You will not be able to enable TV-OUT without a reboot in these drivers. Read the 'How can I enable TV-OUT in Windows 2000 (and without a reboot)?' question.
The refresh rates available in high resolutions do not go as high as those in the Windows 9x/ME drivers"

They instead recommend using the smp command on the shortcut instead of a console command or cfg setting. I have no idea if it makes a different but iy could try. Regarding your question, what would be different between original release and 1.32c; i have no idea, and the release notes for each point release seems not to exist on google anymore but the very latest releases.

"Q. How can I get SMP working with Quake 3 Arena under Windows 2000?
Thanks to lazerus and BankZ on the BP6.com messageboard for this solution:
Change your Quake 3 shortcut to read the following:
cmd.exe /c start /realtime C:\PROGRA~1\QUAKEI~1\QUAKE3.EXE +set r_smp 1
If you have installed Quake 3 in an alternative directory you should of course alter this to fit.

Note that if you have the ASUS drivers installed, they may cause choppiness in SMP mode. Use the NVIDIA reference drivers instead"

Just wanted to thank you for this tip! It works wonderfully and never crashes for me.

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Reply 37 of 193, by Kamerat

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I blame Phil for digging out the MX. 🤣
76.4 FPS, Kamerat, GeForce2 MX @ 225/210 MHz (71.89), dual Pentium III 800EB @ 796 MHz, Asus P2B-D (i440BX), 1024MB SDRAM PC133 CL2-2-2, XP-SP3

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Reply 38 of 193, by appiah4

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Pentium III 450, 440BX, 256MB PC133, Voodoo3 3000 AGP, SB Live! Value, WinMe: 42.3 fps (16-bit Color / 16-bit Textures)
Pentium III 450, 440BX, 256MB PC133, Voodoo3 3000 AGP, SB Live! Value, WinMe: 41.9 fps (16-bit Color / 32-bit Textures)
Pentium III 450, 440BX, 256MB PC133, Voodoo3 3000 AGP, SB Live! Value, WinMe: 42.3 fps (32-bit Color / 32-bit Textures)

I don't understand these scores, they are all within margin of error of each other - am I simply completely CPU bottlenecked here?

Also, isn't the Voodoo 3 supposed to be unable to render 32-bit colors? 32-bit color and texture options yield an obviously better image quality, the skyboxes are a million times better for example. Is this the 3dfx's claimed 22-bit equivalent post processing quality I am experiencing?

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Reply 39 of 193, by leileilol

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None of those 32-bit color or 32-bit textures will matter on V3 as they're clamped to 16-bit automatically due to what the GL ICD reports back to Q3.

"22-bit" is just a 2x2 box filter smudging your dither patterns. The framebuffer is the same

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