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First post, by aemin

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hello, i am new to this forum and i am not quite sure if i have posted this under the right section.
anyway i will get to point- i have recently had a nostalgia attack and i bought an IBM Thinkpad R30, to make a clean Win 98 SE install and use for retro purposes.
i want to use it to mainly play microsoft entertainment package games and DOS games.
However some DOS games have no sound, such as System Shock. I think thats because the laptop doesnt have a soundblaster card.
Some DOS games let me use PC sounds, so it works sometimes, but with some games i have no luck.
Is there a way to get around this without adding new hardware? Like installing some third party drivers (which i did for USB ports so it recognizes flash drives).
Thank you all, i await your answers. 😊

Reply 1 of 15, by cyclone3d

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What drivers are you using in Windows for sound? Does anything like "legacy audio" or similar show up in the device manager?

If not, then you will need to get an add-on sound card that supports DOS sound through Windows (somewhat easier to find) or one that supports DOS sound from real mode DOS... much rarer.

For PCMCIA sound cards, see here:
PCMCIA Sound Cards

You can also try VDMSound for Win9x...
Win9x + VDMSound **ALPHA**

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Reply 2 of 15, by collector

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Wrong forum. This forum is for DOS games on newer systems. Ask old hardware and old OS questions here: Marvin, the Paranoid Android

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Reply 4 of 15, by aemin

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Hello. Thanks for your response. The driver i installed is: ALi Audio Accelerator WDM Driver (ALi). I don't see a legacy audio option, however on cnet.com, i checked the specs of my laptop and for Audio specs, it reads: "Compliant Standards Sound Blaster 16/Pro".

Reply 5 of 15, by cyclone3d

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What is the exact model of the laptop?

Yamaha YMF modified setupds and drivers
Yamaha XG resource repository - updated November 27, 2018
Yamaha YMF7x4 Guide
AW744L II - YMF744 - AOpen Cobra Sound Card - Install SB-Link Header
Epstein didn't kill himself

Reply 7 of 15, by Kamerat

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aemin wrote:

IBM Thinkpad R30 Type 2656

Your laptop uses the sound portion of the ALi M1535 southbridge which are based of the Trident 4DWave PCI sound chip (just like the SiS 7018 of the SiS 630/730 chips). It should emulate both Sound Blaster Pro and 16 and also got wavetable and some horrible FM-emulation. It probably needs to be initialized when running in pure DOS mode and needs a TSR for wavetable and FM.

If you're going to run DOS games from within Windows you should use VxD drivers instead of the WDM ones if VxD drivers exists.

DOS Sound Blaster compatibility: PCI sound cards vs. PCI chipsets
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Reply 8 of 15, by aemin

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Yes, i play DOS games from within Windows 98 SE. I dont really know what drivers i have installed, but now that i am searching for "VxD" drivers i can't really find that. Honestly i dont know what i should be looking for either. Searching "ALi M1535 VxD" is the way to go? or any VxD soundblaster driver will work? Where should i be heading?

Reply 12 of 15, by cyclone3d

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I bet if you extracted the files you could manually install the 95 drivers in 98 by NOT using the setup program.

At the very most, the .inf file might have to be slightly modified but I kinda doubt it.

Yamaha YMF modified setupds and drivers
Yamaha XG resource repository - updated November 27, 2018
Yamaha YMF7x4 Guide
AW744L II - YMF744 - AOpen Cobra Sound Card - Install SB-Link Header
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Reply 13 of 15, by aemin

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I dont know how to manually install without the setup 🙁

edit: now somehow i managed to do that, now windows is trying to install VxD driver at startup. i will let you guys know how it turns out.

Reply 15 of 15, by Kamerat

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Hard to tell what's going on, perhaps the driver just doesn't like Windows 98SE? 😕

DOS Sound Blaster compatibility: PCI sound cards vs. PCI chipsets
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