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First post, by viper32cm

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I am looking at building a 3dfx specific computer to cover the non-3d-accelerated Win 9x games and 3d-accelerated games through maybe 1999, but I need some help picking the right CPU and video card pairings. I currently have one 12MB Voodoo2 but will likely buy a second one for SLI in the near future.

CPU Choices:
P200 -- my current early Win9x/DOS machine. It feels way too slow for most 3d-accelerated games even with a Voodoo2
PII-350
PII-400
PIII-1000 -- my current late Win9x machine. It is paired with a GF4 Ti4200 and feels too fast for most early non-3d accelerated Win9x games

I'm thinking one of the Pentium IIs is the best bet, and I would probably transfer most if not all of the early Win9x games to that computer.

GPU Choices:
TNT2 M64 PCI
Geforce DDR
Geforce 4 Ti4200

The Geforce 4 is overkill for either one of the Pentium IIs. I like the sound of going with the GeForce DDR with one of the Pentium IIs, 128-256MB of RAM, and an AWE64, but I also think it would create a bit of a redundancy with my Pentium III. In light of that, I've given serious thought to putting the Voodoo2 in the Pentium III.

Reply 1 of 8, by meljor

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Voodoo1 scales up to p2-350-400 so voodoo2 goes much further. When using sli it will be like a voodoo3 so the 1ghz is your best choice.

I use a k6-3+ cpu with my sli setup and a geforce2 gts. The cpu is a bottleneck but it runs a lot of games fine and i also have faster glide systems so it is fine. But if you are only building one 3dfx system i would take the 1ghz (and the geforce DDR).

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Reply 2 of 8, by viper32cm

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meljor wrote:

Voodoo1 scales up to p2-350-400 so voodoo2 goes much further. When using sli it will be like a voodoo3 so the 1ghz is your best choice.

I use a k6-3+ cpu with my sli setup and a geforce2 gts. The cpu is a bottleneck but it runs a lot of games fine and i also have faster glide systems so it is fine. But if you are only building one 3dfx system i would take the 1ghz (and the geforce DDR).

Thanks! Why the GeForce DDR over the GeForce 4? Would it be simpler/easier/better just to buy a Voodoo 3 and say forget the Geforce altogether?

Reply 3 of 8, by .legaCy

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viper32cm wrote:
meljor wrote:

Voodoo1 scales up to p2-350-400 so voodoo2 goes much further. When using sli it will be like a voodoo3 so the 1ghz is your best choice.

I use a k6-3+ cpu with my sli setup and a geforce2 gts. The cpu is a bottleneck but it runs a lot of games fine and i also have faster glide systems so it is fine. But if you are only building one 3dfx system i would take the 1ghz (and the geforce DDR).

Thanks! Why the GeForce DDR over the GeForce 4? Would it be simpler/easier/better just to buy a Voodoo 3 and say forget the Geforce altogether?

if you are planning on a v2 sli on a p3 1ghz i don't see why would you not go with the GF4 , there are plenty of GF4 so it should be cheap as chips.

Reply 4 of 8, by melbar

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Geforce 256 DDR: year 2000
P III - 1000: year 2000

--> perfect match 😉

GeForce4 Ti4200: year 2002
PIII-S 1400 or PIV 2.4GHz: year 2002

--> perfect match 😉

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Reply 5 of 8, by viper32cm

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melbar wrote:
Geforce 256 DDR: year 2000 P III - 1000: year 2000 […]
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Geforce 256 DDR: year 2000
P III - 1000: year 2000

--> perfect match 😉

GeForce4 Ti4200: year 2002
PIII-S 1400 or PIV 2.4GHz: year 2002

--> perfect match 😉

Fair enough. I guess it depends on how strictly you define period correct. For me, I ran a GeForce 4 Ti4200 on an Athlon Thunderbird 1.4 GHz in 2002, so the PIII-1Ghz and GF4 pairing is fine by me. At the same time, I generally don't run games released after the fall of 2001 on my PIII-1Ghz, so it probably doesn't make a difference between the GeForce DDR and the GF4. But, from my experience and memory, games like Combat Flight Simulator 2 are at least somewhat challenging for a GeForce DDR.

In theory, though, if I were to install my Voodoo2 in my PIII-1Ghz with GF4 right now, I would be able to enjoy the high end performance of the GF4 for later Win 9x games (e.g., CFS2) and the compatibility of the Voodoo2 for early Win 9x games?

Reply 6 of 8, by viper32cm

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And we're in business. Voodoo2 installed in the Pentium III 1GHz. So far, it has cured the compatibility problems I had with one of my older 3d accelerated games. Also, I tried it with Unreal Tournament for the heck of it, and, while it works, I much prefer the GeForce 4 Ti4200. I think being able to go to 1024x768 would help, so I must go SLI. Does the 2nd card need to be the same brand as my current card?

Reply 7 of 8, by chinny22

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As long as both are 12MB the'll run in SLI with the reference drivers, brand doesn't matter.
or if you use something like the fastvoodoo drivers they will work with any pairing even mixing 8 or 12 MB cards, although the 12 will be "downgraded" to 8MB for the SLI setup.

I had a P3 1Ghz with a Ti4600 and V2 SLI. it's a good setup. a single PC that can do 3dfx, D3D and, 1 Ghz is more then enough for any game that wont work in XP
Only reason I just split the 2 now as I needed an excuse for another PC 😉

Reply 8 of 8, by viper32cm

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So I think the GF4 may have been a bad call after all. Prior to installing the Voodoo2, I was running DX8.1 with the GF4. The problem it seems is that the DX6 and DX7 drivers for the Voodoo2 don't play well with my computer with DX8.1 installed. So, I downgraded to DX7 and fixed most of my problems.

However, playing Combat Flight Simulator 2 (~3Q 2000 release) I have an interesting problem. With the GF4 I can get 77 or so FPS at 1024x768 with full details, but there's a stutter every second or so. With the Voodoo2, I can get ~50 FPS at 640x480 with full details. Impressive performance for the single Voodoo2 considering, but really disappointing performance for the GF4. I think my problem is that the GF4 is a DX8 card and I should downgrade to a DX7 card, either my GeForce DDR or a GeForce 2.