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First post, by LeFlash

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Hello,

yesterday, i finished my latest project: Upgrading a P2B-D to 133MHz.
Not only i had to add a jumper, also the clock generator had to be changed.

Maybe due to revisions i only had a ICS9150 on this board, which only supports up to 103 (or 112?) MHz, despite the PDF saying it's 133MHz capable, which it's definitely. So i got my ICS9250s from china and began my work. First attempt was a fail, the board did not post. After checking with my scope and every clock was there, i noticed a loose leg and resoldered the pins with flux and fresh solder. The hotair and flux alone wasn't enough.

After that i had to install the FS3-jumper as described in the tipperlinne-pages (http://tipperlinne.com/p2b-ds150.htm)

Now the board runs rock-solid with 2xP3 1GHz and 133MHz FSB!

I'm using this machine with a Voodoo2SLI-Setup for older games. Installed is Win2K Pro and Win98 (yes, i know, only single cpu).

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Reply 1 of 18, by H3nrik V!

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That's just plain AWESOME!!! Congrats!

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Reply 2 of 18, by H3nrik V!

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But AGP frequency would be 88,7 MHz, right?

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Reply 3 of 18, by LeFlash

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Yes, but the pci clock stays at 33.3MHz.
Currently, i'm running the system at 1050MHz (140 * 7.5) which gives me 92.4MHz AGP clock - no issues.
For the AGP i'm using a newer cheap GF FX which drives windows and may come handy for newer DX games.

Reply 4 of 18, by chinny22

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And here is my Rev 1.03 board stuck at ‎Katmai's
Wanna swap 😉

Reply 6 of 18, by Kamerat

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Very nice mod LeFlash. My P2B-D 1.06 with the 9150AF-08 PLL can run 133MHz FSB, but only by changing it by software and I also have to select a different PLL to get there. I actually tried a mod similar to the one you did, but it didn't work as I only had the 9150 PLL.

Ran two 800MHz Coppermines for years at 133MHz FSB on my board rock solid.

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Reply 7 of 18, by LeFlash

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Kamerat wrote:

Very nice mod LeFlash. My P2B-D 1.06 with the 9150AF-08 PLL can run 133MHz FSB, but only by changing it by software and I also have to select a different PLL to get there. I actually tried a mod similar to the one you did, but it didn't work as I only had the 9150 PLL.

You can get the 9250-08 cheap on eBay from china. I ordered 5pcs for around $20 because i like to have some spare for possible future projects.
It's a simply drop-in for the 9150-08.

The only important thing is the "-08" because it implies pinout and features. There are other 9x50 outthere with -13 and other numbers, they are completely different and will not work.

Replacing them is a matter of 5-10 minutes with some heat, flux and a steady hand.

Reply 8 of 18, by PARKE

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Very nice job, LaFlash.
I always found the P2B-D one of the most iconic boards of the PII/PIII generation and last year I finally got one. My revision is 1.06. It combines the 9250-08 chip with the missing FS3 jumper and runs fsb 133 fine but at that speed the RAM is not happy - only runs ok with 3 sticks. Tipperlinne describes a fix but that is beyond my ability.

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Reply 9 of 18, by LeFlash

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You're talking about the VTT/Vio-Mod?
Seems relatively simple, especially if you use smd 0603 resistors.

Reply 10 of 18, by PARKE

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Yes, the R50 replacemenrt job. Simple for many, but not for me - I have 'two left hands' when it comes down to soldering. But I am happy with it as it is.

Reply 11 of 18, by LeFlash

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you can simply use a big solderblob and iron to heat up both pads of the smd resistor at once and simply swipe the resistor away.
the rest is quite simple. tweezers and a steady hand.

Reply 12 of 18, by PARKE

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I'm not that confident in my skills. Plus, even if I could fix this, there is still the issue that with this 3-jumper configuration the PCI clock is running at 133/3 and I'm not comfortable with that. Adding that 4th jumper is a bridge too far for me too. Maybe I find a set of 1Ghz fsb 100 SECCS one fine day 😉.

Reply 13 of 18, by pshipkov

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The initial post suggest that the clock generators were swapped, but ics9150 is pin incompatible with 9250.
Or do I read it wrong ?

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Reply 14 of 18, by LeFlash

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It is pincompatible, but has an additional pin for the settings. You have to feed it to a jumper to gain access to the settings.

Reply 15 of 18, by Warlord

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I should try to mail you my p2b-ds 1.04 to mod for me xD great job looks great.

Reply 16 of 18, by LeFlash

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Sure, you can.
I should start a retro-upgrade-business 😉

Reply 17 of 18, by amadeus777999

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Awesome!

Reply 18 of 18, by H3nrik V!

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pshipkov wrote on 2020-09-19, 19:05:

The initial post suggest that the clock generators were swapped, but ics9150 is pin incompatible with 9250.
Or do I read it wrong ?

They need to be the -08 version both, there is a crapload of variants of the ICS9150/9250.

Just ordered 3 pcs 9250 to rework my rev. 1.05; and a couple in reserve 😁

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