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Reply 180 of 241, by duga3

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I think non-ref OCed 980 Ti will be faster than any OCed Titan. But not by more than 1-10% imo. So yeah, enthusiasts only. Does not really matter if you clock it or the factory. Binning plays some role, sure, but OCed 980 Ti should be generally faster than OCed Titans. These are just my assumptions from benchmarks I have seen floating online. Too bad we can't test it now, maybe some day!

I think that Titan existed primarily to collect extra cash by being much earlier on the market than those great non-ref 980 Tis. That and having tons of VRAM, which is useless for XP gaming and would be interesting only if you modded new games or did some specific professional work on the same machine.

Without going too off-topic I would like to say that CPU freq is more important than cores for gaming. Always pick CPU with highest clock (after OC) over cores. One should always water cool their CPUs and overclock them if possible - you can get even 30% better FPS if the game is bottlenecked by (any) CPU (i.e. simulator games and the like). There may be exceptions to this, but following this idea served me well so far.

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Reply 181 of 241, by God Of Gaming

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I think that 8-core ivy xeon should overclock about as much as the average 4-core 3770k would, also the titan X has a more unlocked core than the 980ti, with more shaders and more texture mapping units, so it doesnt need to be clocked quite as high as the 980ti to perform as good. But if you're not interested in it, that just means less competition for me when I'm trying to get it 😉

With all that said, while I think these rare binned and overclocked titans should be at least as good as the average non-reference 980Ti, it would definitely be interesting to bench one against one of the rarer more overkill 980Tis like the MSI Lightning or the Evga K|NGP|N edition

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Reply 182 of 241, by KT7AGuy

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A dual-core E8600 is already a very high-performance XP system. I3 or I5 Sandy/Ivy Bridge is extra overkill. Besides Alan Wake and Falcon 4.0, are there many games that truly take advantage of more than one core? Do people still have faith in hyperthreading?

I'm currently putting together a "new" daily driver for myself that will have an I5-3570 in it. My ultimate XP system that I put together for myself is a Phenom II X4 with a 560 Ti, but I'm thinking this I5 will be even more overkill for another XP build when I eventually retire it from daily service.

Reply 183 of 241, by Wanderer

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God Of Gaming wrote on 2021-01-15, 21:38:

<...> and on AMD's side it's the Radeon HD 7970 / R9 280X.

Hello,
this driver for XP has many more newer AMD cards listed in the .inf file, which should mean they are all compatible.

Hardware IDs

%AMD1313.1% = ati2mtag_Kaveri_Desktop, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_1313
%AMD1315.1% = ati2mtag_Kaveri_Desktop, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_1315
%AMD1316.1% = ati2mtag_Kaveri_Desktop, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_1316
%AMD131B.1% = ati2mtag_Kaveri_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_131B
%AMD131C.1% = ati2mtag_Kaveri_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_131C
%AMD131D.1% = ati2mtag_Kaveri_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_131D
%AMD6600.1% = ati2mtag_R502, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6600
%AMD6601.1% = ati2mtag_R502, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6601
%AMD6606.1% = ati2mtag_R502, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6606
%AMD6607.1% = ati2mtag_R502, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6607
%AMD6610.1% = ati2mtag_R501, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6610&SUBSYS_7350148C
%AMD6610.2% = ati2mtag_R501, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6610
%AMD6611.1% = ati2mtag_R501, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6611
%AMD6613.1% = ati2mtag_R501, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6613&SUBSYS_7340148C
%AMD6613.2% = ati2mtag_R501, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6613
%AMD6658.1% = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6658&SUBSYS_0907148C
%AMD6658.2% = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6658&SUBSYS_09071682
%AMD6658.3% = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6658&SUBSYS_73601682
%AMD6658.4% = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6658
%AMD665C.1% = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_0907148C
%AMD665C.2% = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_9360148C
%AMD665C.3% = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_09071682
%AMD665C.4% = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C
%AMD665D.1% = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665D&SUBSYS_58261787
%AMD665D.2% = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665D
%AMD665F.1% = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665F&SUBSYS_29381462
%AMD665F.2% = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665F&SUBSYS_73601682
%AMD665F.3% = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665F&SUBSYS_73601787
%AMD665F.4% = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665F
%AMD665F.5% = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665F
%AMD6718.1% = ati2mtag_NICayman, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6718
%AMD6719.1% = ati2mtag_NICayman, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6719
%AMD671D.1% = ati2mtag_NICayman, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_671D
%AMD671F.1% = ati2mtag_NICayman, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_671F
%AMD6720.1% = ati2mtag_Vancouver, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6720
%AMD6738.1% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6738
%AMD6739.1% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6739
%AMD673E.1% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_673E
%AMD6740.1% = ati2mtag_VancouverA, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6740
%AMD6741.1% = ati2mtag_VancouverA, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6741
%AMD6742.1% = ati2mtag_Vancouver, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6742&SUBSYS_E181174B
%AMD6742.2% = ati2mtag_Vancouver, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6742
%AMD6743.1% = ati2mtag_Vancouver, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6743
%AMD6750.1% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6750
%AMD6751.1% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6751
%AMD6758.1% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6758
%AMD6759.1% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6759
%AMD675B.1% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_675B
%AMD675D.1% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_675D
%AMD675F.1% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_675F
%AMD6760.1% = ati2mtag_Vancouver, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6760
%AMD6761.1% = ati2mtag_Vancouver, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6761
%AMD6763.1% = ati2mtag_Vancouver, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6763
%AMD6770.1% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6770
%AMD6771.1% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6771
%AMD6772.1% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6772
%AMD6778.1% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6778
%AMD6779.1% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6779&SUBSYS_A007174B
%AMD6779.2% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6779
%AMD677B.1% = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_677B
%AMD6798.1% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6798
%AMD679A.1% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_679A
%AMD679E.1% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_679E
%AMD6800.1% = ati2mtag_R576B, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6800
%AMD6801.1% = ati2mtag_R576B, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6801
%AMD6810.1% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6810&SUBSYS_09081043
%AMD6810.2% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6810&SUBSYS_0908148C
%AMD6810.3% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6810&SUBSYS_09081682
%AMD6810.4% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6810&SUBSYS_0908174B
%AMD6810.5% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6810
%AMD6810.6% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6810
%AMD6811.1% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6811&SUBSYS_20161002
%AMD6811.2% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6811&SUBSYS_20161043
%AMD6811.3% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6811&SUBSYS_20161458
%AMD6811.4% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6811&SUBSYS_20161462
%AMD6811.5% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6811&SUBSYS_2016148C
%AMD6811.6% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6811&SUBSYS_20161682
%AMD6811.7% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6811&SUBSYS_20161682
%AMD6811.8% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6811&SUBSYS_93701682
%AMD6811.9% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6811&SUBSYS_2016174B
%AMD6811.10% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6811&SUBSYS_20161787
%AMD6811.11% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6811&SUBSYS_20161787
%AMD6811.12% = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6811
%AMD6818.1% = ati2mtag_R575B, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6818
%AMD6819.1% = ati2mtag_R575B, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6819&SUBSYS_9270148C
%AMD6819.2% = ati2mtag_R575B, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6819&SUBSYS_72691682
%AMD6819.3% = ati2mtag_R575B, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6819&SUBSYS_92781682
%AMD6819.4% = ati2mtag_R575B, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6819&SUBSYS_A008174B
%AMD6819.5% = ati2mtag_R575B, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6819&SUBSYS_20151787
%AMD6819.6% = ati2mtag_R575B, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6819
%AMD6820.1% = ati2mtag_R577, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6820
%AMD6821.1% = ati2mtag_R577, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6821
%AMD6823.1% = ati2mtag_R577, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6823
%AMD6825.1% = ati2mtag_R576, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6825
%AMD6827.1% = ati2mtag_R576, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6827
%AMD682B.1% = ati2mtag_R577, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_682B
%AMD682D.1% = ati2mtag_R576, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_682D
%AMD682F.1% = ati2mtag_R576, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_682F
%AMD6837.1% = ati2mtag_R575A, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6837
%AMD683D.1% = ati2mtag_R575A, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_683D
%AMD683F.1% = ati2mtag_R575A, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_683F
%AMD6840.1% = ati2mtag_R476, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6840
%AMD6841.1% = ati2mtag_R476, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6841
%AMD6842.1% = ati2mtag_R476, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6842
%AMD6843.1% = ati2mtag_VancouverA, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6843
%AMD6858.1% = ati2mtag_R475, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6858
%AMD6859.1% = ati2mtag_R475, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6859
%AMD6898.1% = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6898
%AMD6899.1% = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6899
%AMD689B.1% = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_689B
%AMD689C.1% = ati2mtag_EvergreenH, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_689C
%AMD689E.1% = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_689E
%AMD68A0.1% = ati2mtag_Manhattan, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68A0
%AMD68A1.1% = ati2mtag_Manhattan, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68A1
%AMD68A8.1% = ati2mtag_Manhattan, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68A8
%AMD68B8.1% = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68B8
%AMD68B9.1% = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68B9
%AMD68BA.1% = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68BA
%AMD68BE.1% = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68BE
%AMD68BF.1% = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68BF
%AMD68C0.1% = ati2mtag_Manhattan, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68C0
%AMD68C1.1% = ati2mtag_Manhattan, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68C1
%AMD68C7.1% = ati2mtag_Manhattan, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68C7
%AMD68D8.1% = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68D8
%AMD68D9.1% = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68D9
%AMD68DA.1% = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68DA
%AMD68E0.1% = ati2mtag_Manhattan, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68E0
%AMD68E1.1% = ati2mtag_Manhattan, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68E1
%AMD68E4.1% = ati2mtag_Manhattan, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68E4
%AMD68E5.1% = ati2mtag_Manhattan, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68E5&SUBSYS_E164174B
%AMD68E5.2% = ati2mtag_Manhattan, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68E5
%AMD68F9.1% = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68F9
%AMD68FA.1% = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68FA
%AMD9900.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9900
%AMD9901.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Desktop, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9901
%AMD9903.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9903
%AMD9904.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Desktop, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9904
%AMD9907.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9907
%AMD9908.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9908
%AMD990A.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_990A
%AMD990B.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_990B
%AMD990C.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Desktop, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_990C
%AMD990D.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_990D
%AMD990E.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Desktop, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_990E
%AMD9910.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9910
%AMD9913.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9913
%AMD9917.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9917
%AMD9918.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9918
%AMD9919.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9919
%AMD9990.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9990
%AMD9991.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Desktop, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9991
%AMD9992.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9992
%AMD9993.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Desktop, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9993
%AMD9994.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9994
%AMD9995.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9995
%AMD9996.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Desktop, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9996
%AMD9997.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9997
%AMD9998.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Desktop, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9998
%AMD99A0.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_99A0
%AMD99A2.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_99A2
%AMD99A4.1% = ati2mtag_Trinity_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_99A4

Names

AMD1313.1 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R7 Graphics"
AMD1315.1 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R5 Graphics"
AMD1316.1 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R5 Graphics"
AMD131B.1 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R4 Graphics"
AMD131C.1 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R7 Graphics"
AMD131D.1 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R6 Graphics"
AMD6600.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8600/8700M"
AMD6601.1 = "AMD Radeon (TM) HD 8500M/8700M"
AMD6606.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8790M"
AMD6607.1 = "AMD Radeon R5 M240"
AMD6610.1 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R7 350"
AMD6610.2 = "AMD Radeon R7 200 Series"
AMD6611.1 = "AMD Radeon R7 200 Series"
AMD6613.1 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R7 340"
AMD6613.2 = "AMD Radeon R7 200 Series"
AMD6658.1 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R7 360 Series Graphics"
AMD6658.2 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R7 360 Series Graphics"
AMD6658.3 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R7 360 Graphics"
AMD6658.4 = "AMD Radeon R7 200 Series"
AMD665C.1 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R7 360 Series Graphics"
AMD665C.2 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R9 360"
AMD665C.3 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R7 360 Series"
AMD665C.4 = "AMD Radeon HD 7700 Series"
AMD665D.1 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R7 360 Series"
AMD665D.2 = "AMD Radeon R7 200 Series"
AMD665F.1 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R9 360 Series"
AMD665F.2 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R7 360 Graphics"
AMD665F.3 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R7 360 Series"
AMD665F.4 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R7 360 Series"
AMD665F.5 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R7 360 Series Graphics"
AMD6718.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series"
AMD6719.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series"
AMD671D.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series"
AMD671F.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series"
AMD6720.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6900M Series"
AMD6738.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series"
AMD6739.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series"
AMD673E.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6700 Series"
AMD6740.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6700M Series"
AMD6741.1 = "AMD Radeon 6600M and 6700M Series"
AMD6742.1 = "AMD Radeon (TM) HD6570"
AMD6742.2 = "AMD Radeon HD 7500/7600 Series"
AMD6743.1 = "AMD Radeon E6760"
AMD6750.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6600A Series"
AMD6751.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7600A Series"
AMD6758.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6670"
AMD6759.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6570"
AMD675B.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7600 Series"
AMD675D.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7500 Series"
AMD675F.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 5500 Series"
AMD6760.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7400M Series"
AMD6761.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6430M"
AMD6763.1 = "AMD Radeon E6460"
AMD6770.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6400 Series"
AMD6771.1 = "AMD Radeon(TM) HD8490"
AMD6772.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7400A Series"
AMD6778.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7000 series"
AMD6779.1 = "AMD RADEON HD5450"
AMD6779.2 = "AMD Radeon HD6450 / HD5450"
AMD677B.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7400 Series"
AMD6798.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 200 / HD 7900 Series"
AMD679A.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7900 Series"
AMD679E.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series"
AMD6800.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7970M"
AMD6801.1 = "AMD Radeon(TM) HD8970M"
AMD6810.1 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R9 370 Series"
AMD6810.2 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R9 370 Series"
AMD6810.3 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R9 370 Series"
AMD6810.4 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R9 370 Series"
AMD6810.5 = "AMD Radeon R9 200 Series"
AMD6810.6 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R9 370 Series"
AMD6811.1 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R9 370 Series Graphics"
AMD6811.2 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R9 370 Series"
AMD6811.3 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R9 370 Series"
AMD6811.4 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R9 370 Series"
AMD6811.5 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R9 370 Series"
AMD6811.6 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R9 370 Series"
AMD6811.7 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R9 370 Series"
AMD6811.8 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R9 370 Series"
AMD6811.9 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R9 370 Series"
AMD6811.10 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R9 370 Series"
AMD6811.11 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R9 370 Series"
AMD6811.12 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R9 200 Series"
AMD6818.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series"
AMD6819.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 270 1024SP"
AMD6819.2 = "AMD Radeon R9 270 1024SP"
AMD6819.3 = "AMD Radeon R9 270 1024SP"
AMD6819.4 = "AMD Radeon R9 270 1024SP"
AMD6819.5 = "AMD Radeon(TM) R9 370 series"
AMD6819.6 = "AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series"
AMD6820.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 M275X"
AMD6821.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 M200X Series"
AMD6823.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 M200X Series"
AMD6825.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7800M Series"
AMD6827.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7800M Series"
AMD682B.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8800M Series"
AMD682D.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7700M Series"
AMD682F.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7700M Series"
AMD6837.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7700 Series"
AMD683D.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7700 Series"
AMD683F.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7700 Series"
AMD6840.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7600M Series"
AMD6841.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7500M/7600M Series"
AMD6842.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7000M Series"
AMD6843.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7670M"
AMD6858.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7400 Series"
AMD6859.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7400 Series"
AMD6898.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 5800 Series"
AMD6899.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 5800 Series"
AMD689B.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series"
AMD689C.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 5900 Series"
AMD689E.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 5800 Series"
AMD68A0.1 = "AMD Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series"
AMD68A1.1 = "AMD Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series"
AMD68A8.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6800M Series"
AMD68B8.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 5700 Series"
AMD68B9.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 5600/5700"
AMD68BA.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6700 Series"
AMD68BE.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 5700 Series"
AMD68BF.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6700 Series"
AMD68C0.1 = "AMD Mobility Radeon HD 5000"
AMD68C1.1 = "AMD Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series"
AMD68C7.1 = "AMD Mobility Radeon HD 5570"
AMD68D8.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 5670"
AMD68D9.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 5570"
AMD68DA.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 5500 Series"
AMD68E0.1 = "AMD Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series"
AMD68E1.1 = "AMD Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series"
AMD68E4.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 6300M Series"
AMD68E5.1 = "AMD Radeon HD5450"
AMD68E5.2 = "AMD Radeon HD 6300M / HD5450"
AMD68F9.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 5450"
AMD68FA.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7300 Series"
AMD9900.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7660G"
AMD9901.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7660D"
AMD9903.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7640G"
AMD9904.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7560D"
AMD9907.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7620G"
AMD9908.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7600G"
AMD990A.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7500G"
AMD990B.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8650G"
AMD990C.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8670D"
AMD990D.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8550G"
AMD990E.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8570D"
AMD9910.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7660G"
AMD9913.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7640G"
AMD9917.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7620G"
AMD9918.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7600G"
AMD9919.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7500G"
AMD9990.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7520G"
AMD9991.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7540D"
AMD9992.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7420G"
AMD9993.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7480D"
AMD9994.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7400G"
AMD9995.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8450G"
AMD9996.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8470D"
AMD9997.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8350G"
AMD9998.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8370D"
AMD99A0.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7520G"
AMD99A2.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7420G"
AMD99A4.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 7400G"

Reply 184 of 241, by God Of Gaming

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Wanderer wrote on 2021-01-17, 08:24:

Hello,
this driver for XP has many more newer AMD cards listed in the .inf file, which should mean they are all compatible.

I'm not seeing anything faster than the HD7970 / R9 280X on that list tho, as expected

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Reply 185 of 241, by Hanamichi

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Someone supposedly has got a Fury X working with AMD XP iCafe drivers and an inf mod. Lost my source for that one.
Edit: https://msfn.org/board/topic/175342-amd-icaf% … dows-xp-32-bit/

I would love for someone to test a 780ti OC vs a 980ti OC/Titan X OC in XP.

Maxwell architecture is all about efficiency and optimization.
Considering the drivers are a bit of a hack for a GTX 960 on XP, some of these optimizations may not have been carried over if they need enabling in software drivers, especially for older games.
It also does not overclock very well and ended the advantage of premium overclocking cards unless the owner use LN2.

780Ti has a few more cores and an advantage in texture rate. It also scales almost linearly to 1400Mhz from stock GHZ spec. (If the card and cooling are up to it)
When the GTX 980 was released, it was not much of a speed bump but very efficient in comparison. However, with time the optimizations put Maxwell quite far ahead in most modern games.

I tested the 7970 6GB Vapour X and 780 TI Kingpin on XP and 8.1. No contest 780Ti, is twice as fast when overclocked in some games.

A guess but I would like for someone to prove right or wrong:
780 Ti OC++ (GK110, 2880) > Titan Black OC (GK110, 2880) > Titan X OC (GM200, 3072) > 980 Ti OC (GM200, 2816)> Titan (GK110, 2688) OC > 780 OC++ (GK110, 2304) > 980 OC (GM200, 2048) > 7970 OC
*For Windows XP Performance all overclocked

With the Fury X being the dark horse that could beat all with HBM, if it actually works in XP and is optimized enough. 😀

Reply 186 of 241, by God Of Gaming

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Very interesting about Fury X, someone should confirm if it works indeed. I've always wanted to do a R9 290X winXP/win7 dualboot build, but R9 290X not having any winXP drivers was a bummer.

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Yeah quite a breakthrough if true. I notice the link has gone down from AMD.

I think I downloaded the driver and stashed it away somewhere.. I will upload them for someone wants to try (if I find it).

Edit somewhat discussed here:
What would be the fastest XP Setup with XP Era Hardware ?

Reply 188 of 241, by God Of Gaming

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In that msfn thread, the guy who mentioned getting R9 Fury working on XP with it, in 2016 post, I see later in 2020 has posted about having had problems with it and it not being worth it

Over the years I realised that bios is what depends on GPU to work on card's .

It doesn't worth to take risk . R9 Fury used to bsod with icafe driver many times .

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Reply 189 of 241, by Hanamichi

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I did see that. I guess any kind of 3d acceleration working with a Fury or Hawaii series in XP is good news.

Maybe those issues could be worked out, maybe not but won't know till someone else has a crack at it.

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Hello guys, im planning to build a xp 32 bit pc, for play some 2004-2005 fps online games

I have a z77 platform, and ive ordered a gtx 970.

My question is, whats the best driver 344.11 or 368.81?

Becouse i have a 1920x1080 240hz monitor with only display port and hdmi...
Will it work? At least 144hz?

The game im gonna play is directx 8

Reply 191 of 241, by DosFreak

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144hz should work fine with displayport at a max of 1080p on XP.
If you want scaling then use the 355.98 or older drivers. If not then use the latest.
Some games will try to use the max refresh rate of your monitor so use RefreshLock or similar or switch to a SD/HD resolution which limits the max refresh rate to 60hz when you want to play those games.

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Reply 192 of 241, by Goku94x

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DosFreak wrote on 2021-01-21, 02:16:

144hz should work fine with displayport at a max of 1080p on XP.
If you want scaling then use the 355.98 or older drivers. If not then use the latest.
Some games will try to use the max refresh rate of your monitor so use RefreshLock or similar or switch to a SD/HD resolution which limits the max refresh rate to 60hz when you want to play those games.

Can you link me the correct drivers?
Becouse also for the 344.11 i find multiple drivers but with different size, dont know wich is right!!
So you say better use the latest and not 344.11?

Reply 193 of 241, by God Of Gaming

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From what I've seen the XP drivers for the maxwells are missing some features, particularly you cannot make a custom 1440x1080 4:3 rez at 144hz, and also it feels like its displaying 4:2:0 colors instead of 4:4:4. A solution to these two would be to just plug a CRT monitor and use that for XP. Or to use AMD graphics, that do have these features in their XP drivers

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God Of Gaming wrote on 2021-01-21, 07:42:

From what I've seen the XP drivers for the maxwells are missing some features, particularly you cannot make a custom 1440x1080 4:3 rez at 144hz, and also it feels like its displaying 4:2:0 colors instead of 4:4:4. A solution to these two would be to just plug a CRT monitor and use that for XP. Or to use AMD graphics, that do have these features in their XP drivers

Do you know why is that? Is that maybe you hitting the DVI bandwidth limits?

Single-link DVI maxes out at 165MHz. Dual-link at 330MHz.

1440x1080@144Hz is ~266MHz.

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it's happening with displayport, so it wouldn't be a bandwidth limitation, particularly since its already doing 1920x1080 at 144. Its mostly because the "custom resolution" feature is grayed out and "gpu scaling" is completely missing, you can make a custom res with a registry edit but I cant figure out how to assign 144hz to the custom res when made that way, so it just stays 60, also with no gpu scaling it ends up stretching across the monitor anyways. The issue only happens with the XP drivers, under win7 theres no problems with creating a custom 1440x1080 at 144 res and enabling gpu scaling, its the XP drivers that are problematic. AMD doesn't have that issue.

So I went with adding a CRT, with maxwell being the final cards that support analog output (with dvi to vga adapter) its kinda interesting to use them with CRT anyways. So I can get 1600x1200 at 100hz with the correct colors and aspect ratio and everything. CRT set to primary display under XP, LCD disabled, and LCD primary display under w7, CRT disabled. Looks like it's either this or going for AMD

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Reply 196 of 241, by duga3

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God Of Gaming wrote on 2021-01-21, 19:38:

it's happening with displayport, so it wouldn't be a bandwidth limitation, particularly since its already doing 1920x1080 at 144. Its mostly because the "custom resolution" feature is grayed out and "gpu scaling" is completely missing, you can make a custom res with a registry edit but I cant figure out how to assign 144hz to the custom res when made that way, so it just stays 60, also with no gpu scaling it ends up stretching across the monitor anyways. So I went with adding a CRT, with maxwell being the final cards that support analog output (with dvi to vga adapter) its kinda interesting to use them with CRT anyways. So I can get 1600x1200 at 100hz with the correct colors and aspect ratio and everything.

Oh, that's a bummer. I only have lower res 60Hz LCD monitors, do you think I could reproduce it there? Regarding scaling, have you seen this thread and the suggestion by ruthan:

Re: Windows XP at high resolutions with scaling

Some extra info to the above command is here by ZFR:

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/why_oh_why_ … _madness/post17

And the color issue is maybe due to stretching the image? Otherwise I can't explain it.

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DNSDies wrote on 2021-01-21, 22:17:
Here's an odd contender: Quadro K1200. […]
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Here's an odd contender:
Quadro K1200.

It's a a little slower than a 650-ti, but it's also low profile and single-slot.
Excellent for an ITX build.

Do you have one? If yes, can you see more anti-aliasing options than one would normally see on Geforce?

I have briefly looked if it's possible to make 980 Ti think it is a Quadro (remember NVstraps from W98 days?) and it seems it's either not possible or requires some soldering or something like that these days. I wanted to check the AA options. Quadros in W98 had higher AA options than Geforce, IIRC.

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duga3 wrote on 2021-01-21, 22:29:
DNSDies wrote on 2021-01-21, 22:17:
Here's an odd contender: Quadro K1200. […]
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Here's an odd contender:
Quadro K1200.

It's a a little slower than a 650-ti, but it's also low profile and single-slot.
Excellent for an ITX build.

Do you have one? If yes, can you see more anti-aliasing options than one would normally see on Geforce?

I have briefly looked if it's possible to make 980 Ti think it is a Quadro (remember NVstraps from W98 days?) and it seems it's either not possible or requires some soldering or something like that these days. I wanted to check the AA options. Quadros in W98 had higher AA options than Geforce, IIRC.

Add an old mid-high end quadro in the system alongside the 980 Ti if you have one. Install Quadro drivers and sometimes that unlocks the higher AA for all cards.
Not sure if it persists if you remove the quadro but leave the quadro drivers installed.

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