BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-04-30, 17:59:

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-04-29, 17:11:

sharangad wrote on 2025-04-29, 12:36:

The fix in that thread worked, but not for all game threads, just the first 18 and only at the first switch to single threaded m […]
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The fix in that thread worked, but not for all game threads, just the first 18 and only at the first switch to single threaded mode. I didn't realise system libraries like directsound used up so many threads.

Thanks @Been_Nath_58, this is a massive save.

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RReady Alpha 29 April 2025 (Untested Alpha Release)
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Team Apache Win11 24H2 fix.
https://nirvtek.com/downloads/RReady.Alpha.Te … 20250429.001.7z
MD5: 8e63dcdc883eaa769f3b83038ebfb88c

This should fix the campaign and credits videos stuttering as well.

The menu glitching is still there.

Glad that it helped. I will be seeking some help about the I76 situation soon.

Something funny happened. I was probably playing 1.082 I76 previously which used to crash on Redline. Now it was crashing on DirectDraw as well, on DxWnd without dgVoodoo2.

I put the files again, but installed 1.2 as well. Now the game neither crashes without dgVoodoo2, nor requires dgVoodoo2 for Redline

1.082? 1.2? Are these builds of the game? But that is weird behaviour. I've only tried the GOG version of this game.

Team Apache's rendering defects are serious. The newspaper in Campaign mode is horribly broken with RReady:

sharangad wrote on 2025-04-30, 18:06:

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-04-30, 17:59:

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-04-29, 17:11:

Glad that it helped. I will be seeking some help about the I76 situation soon.

Something funny happened. I was probably playing 1.082 I76 previously which used to crash on Redline. Now it was crashing on DirectDraw as well, on DxWnd without dgVoodoo2.

I put the files again, but installed 1.2 as well. Now the game neither crashes without dgVoodoo2, nor requires dgVoodoo2 for Redline

1.082? 1.2? Are these builds of the game? But that is weird behaviour. I've only tried the GOG version of this game.

Yes these are builds. The base game is probably 1.082. And 1.2 is a later patch. I don't know what GOG uses but if its 1.082 it may be the same issue.

I was talking to cracyc on it (the maintainer of OTVDM) and when they didn't find any error, that's when I proceeded to check again. They are using Windows 10, for record.

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-04-30, 18:39:

sharangad wrote on 2025-04-30, 18:06:

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-04-30, 17:59:

Something funny happened. I was probably playing 1.082 I76 previously which used to crash on Redline. Now it was crashing on DirectDraw as well, on DxWnd without dgVoodoo2.

I put the files again, but installed 1.2 as well. Now the game neither crashes without dgVoodoo2, nor requires dgVoodoo2 for Redline

1.082? 1.2? Are these builds of the game? But that is weird behaviour. I've only tried the GOG version of this game.

Yes these are builds. The base game is probably 1.082. And 1.2 is a later patch. I don't know what GOG uses but if its 1.082 it may be the same issue.

I was talking to cracyc on it (the maintainer of OTVDM) and when they didn't find any error, that's when I proceeded to check again. They are using Windows 10, for record.

But the GOG build used to work with just DxWnd and RReady. So maybe GOG rolled it back?

sharangad wrote on 2025-04-30, 19:08:

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-04-30, 18:39:

sharangad wrote on 2025-04-30, 18:06:

1.082? 1.2? Are these builds of the game? But that is weird behaviour. I've only tried the GOG version of this game.

Yes these are builds. The base game is probably 1.082. And 1.2 is a later patch. I don't know what GOG uses but if its 1.082 it may be the same issue.

I was talking to cracyc on it (the maintainer of OTVDM) and when they didn't find any error, that's when I proceeded to check again. They are using Windows 10, for record.

But the GOG build used to work with just DxWnd and RReady. So maybe GOG rolled it back?

I don't know if GOG build works, if it works it could be the newer version. If it doesn't it's the older one. I have the gog version too, I can check later how it behaves

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-04-30, 20:45:

sharangad wrote on 2025-04-30, 19:08:

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-04-30, 18:39:

Yes these are builds. The base game is probably 1.082. And 1.2 is a later patch. I don't know what GOG uses but if its 1.082 it may be the same issue.

I was talking to cracyc on it (the maintainer of OTVDM) and when they didn't find any error, that's when I proceeded to check again. They are using Windows 10, for record.

But the GOG build used to work with just DxWnd and RReady. So maybe GOG rolled it back?

I don't know if GOG build works, if it works it could be the newer version. If it doesn't it's the older one. I have the gog version too, I can check later how it behaves

The GOG version used to work with just DxWnd, but with newer Windows updates (Jan-April 2025) it needed dgvoodoo as well. So maybe there's been a stealth Windows update.

sharangad wrote on 2025-04-30, 21:20:

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-04-30, 20:45:

sharangad wrote on 2025-04-30, 19:08:

But the GOG build used to work with just DxWnd and RReady. So maybe GOG rolled it back?

I don't know if GOG build works, if it works it could be the newer version. If it doesn't it's the older one. I have the gog version too, I can check later how it behaves

The GOG version used to work with just DxWnd, but with newer Windows updates (Jan-April 2025) it needed dgvoodoo as well. So maybe there's been a stealth Windows update.

Maybe that's the same game as I was testing. I will need to analyse differences

GOG I76 has a file i76_1083.dll I assume its an "older" file.

Ironically the game now crashes natively here, but not with DxWnd. Now I am not sure where to blame. It looks like GOG is 1.2 which works with DxWnd but not natively

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-05-01, 06:19:

GOG I76 has a file i76_1083.dll I assume its an "older" file.

Ironically the game now crashes natively here, but not with DxWnd. Now I am not sure where to blame. It looks like GOG is 1.2 which works with DxWnd but not natively

Could Windows 11 be carrying out some dynamic/adaptive changes to how it runs legacy apps? So that it's entirely possible it runs the game differently each time?

sharangad wrote on 2025-05-01, 07:00:

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-05-01, 06:19:

GOG I76 has a file i76_1083.dll I assume its an "older" file.

Ironically the game now crashes natively here, but not with DxWnd. Now I am not sure where to blame. It looks like GOG is 1.2 which works with DxWnd but not natively

Could Windows 11 be carrying out some dynamic/adaptive changes to how it runs legacy apps? So that it's entirely possible it runs the game differently each time?

So to be sure, you have been testing I76 GOG version right? It still crashes in native DDraw, but it runs with DxWnd. Can you test that once more?

About dynamic changes, there is FaultTolerantHeap, but I doubt that's an issue here

Well 1.082 doesn't even support D3D, Glide or even RRedline so that's far off.

On DxWnd, now I need to manually set Handle Exceptions + Set NOPs so that the game runs with RReadline or even the normal D3D or DDraw modes. Can you try this change?

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-05-01, 07:23:

Well 1.082 doesn't even support D3D, Glide or even RRedline so that's far off.

On DxWnd, now I need to manually set Handle Exceptions + Set NOPs so that the game runs with RReadline or even the normal D3D or DDraw modes. Can you try this change?

I didn't see this post until now, I can't try i76 right now. I have "Windows Hypervisor Platform" turned on and stuck on a lot of things. It needs to be disabled, *I think*, to run i76.

But I think it should work. I'll check it out this afternoon.

sharangad wrote on 2025-05-02, 07:03:

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-05-01, 07:23:

Well 1.082 doesn't even support D3D, Glide or even RRedline so that's far off.

On DxWnd, now I need to manually set Handle Exceptions + Set NOPs so that the game runs with RReadline or even the normal D3D or DDraw modes. Can you try this change?

I didn't see this post until now, I can't try i76 right now. I have "Windows Hypervisor Platform" turned on and stuck on a lot of things. It needs to be disabled, *I think*, to run i76.

But I think it should work. I'll check it out this afternoon.

i'76 works with those settings on Win11 24H2 April but also needs dgvoodo's MS(x86) folder's dlls. It doesn't run without it. it doesn't run at all after the April update without the new settings.

i'76 Nitro runs with those settings without dgvoodo with Windows Hypervisor Platform on and not at all without WHP with those settings, even if dgvoodoo is in place.

The AI cars have weird timing and don't move smoothly with WHP on.

Pre-configure updated versions with both high and regular DPI support are available here:
https://nirvtek.com/downloads/DxWnd.i76AndNit … MW2.20250502.7z
MD5: 4b12969611f8449f0b993cb2e897b4eb

sharangad wrote on 2025-05-02, 11:11:

i'76 works with those settings on Win11 24H2 April but also needs dgvoodo's MS(x86) folder's dlls. It doesn't run without it. i […]
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sharangad wrote on 2025-05-02, 07:03:

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-05-01, 07:23:

Well 1.082 doesn't even support D3D, Glide or even RRedline so that's far off.

On DxWnd, now I need to manually set Handle Exceptions + Set NOPs so that the game runs with RReadline or even the normal D3D or DDraw modes. Can you try this change?

I didn't see this post until now, I can't try i76 right now. I have "Windows Hypervisor Platform" turned on and stuck on a lot of things. It needs to be disabled, *I think*, to run i76.

But I think it should work. I'll check it out this afternoon.

i'76 works with those settings on Win11 24H2 April but also needs dgvoodo's MS(x86) folder's dlls. It doesn't run without it. it doesn't run at all after the April update without the new settings.

i'76 Nitro runs with those settings without dgvoodo with Windows Hypervisor Platform on and not at all without WHP with those settings, even if dgvoodoo is in place.

The AI cars have weird timing and don't move smoothly with WHP on.

Pre-configure updated versions with both high and regular DPI support are available here:
https://nirvtek.com/downloads/DxWnd.i76AndNit … MW2.20250502.7z
MD5: 4b12969611f8449f0b993cb2e897b4eb

New settings: Handle exceptions + Set NOPs?

The game needs to run at low FPS, UCyborg recommended 20FPS

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-05-02, 11:41:

sharangad wrote on 2025-05-02, 11:11:

i'76 works with those settings on Win11 24H2 April but also needs dgvoodo's MS(x86) folder's dlls. It doesn't run without it. i […]
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sharangad wrote on 2025-05-02, 07:03:

I didn't see this post until now, I can't try i76 right now. I have "Windows Hypervisor Platform" turned on and stuck on a lot of things. It needs to be disabled, *I think*, to run i76.

But I think it should work. I'll check it out this afternoon.

i'76 works with those settings on Win11 24H2 April but also needs dgvoodo's MS(x86) folder's dlls. It doesn't run without it. it doesn't run at all after the April update without the new settings.

i'76 Nitro runs with those settings without dgvoodo with Windows Hypervisor Platform on and not at all without WHP with those settings, even if dgvoodoo is in place.

The AI cars have weird timing and don't move smoothly with WHP on.

Pre-configure updated versions with both high and regular DPI support are available here:
https://nirvtek.com/downloads/DxWnd.i76AndNit … MW2.20250502.7z
MD5: 4b12969611f8449f0b993cb2e897b4eb

New settings: Handle exceptions + Set NOPs?

The game needs to run at low FPS, UCyborg recommended 20FPS

Yup those two settings.

Adding maxfps=17 to rendition.cfg will set the right framerate. It needs to run at 17 fps.

Where did you get the 17fps value?

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-05-02, 12:37:

Where did you get the 17fps value?

Saw that online somewhere. Some sections of the game are unplayable at higher framerates.

sharangad wrote on 2025-05-02, 12:44:

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-05-02, 12:37:

Where did you get the 17fps value?

Saw that online somewhere. Some sections of the game are unplayable at higher framerates.

People talk about different numbers though:
Re: So Windows 11 22H2 is super cautious (or super buggy)?

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-05-02, 13:34:

sharangad wrote on 2025-05-02, 12:44:

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-05-02, 12:37:

Where did you get the 17fps value?

Saw that online somewhere. Some sections of the game are unplayable at higher framerates.

People talk about different numbers though:
Re: So Windows 11 22H2 is super cautious (or super buggy)?

Don't know what the magic number is, I think I saw it on one of the GOG forums that it needs to run at 17 fps. I don't think the developers actually said what the target framerate should be.

filipetolhuizen wrote on 2025-04-28, 03:43:

sharangad wrote on 2025-04-28, 03:08:

filipetolhuizen wrote on 2025-04-28, 02:38:

Anytime. I also tested it with Psygnosis Formula 1 and it's also working, although too fast in the menus and sluggish in races.

How sluggish is it? The framerate should vary between 30-60 fps.

Is that what you mean or is it worse? The other rredline games should be full speed, except for "die by the sword."

It stays at 144 in the menus but drops to 20-6 during the races.

Filipe, could you try this to see if F1 runs any better? Also try disabling Rendition AA for this game (for RRedline apps, it's a per game setting).
https://nirvtek.com/downloads/RReady.Alpha.Fo … est.20250510.7z
MD5: 12dd6eea3ced18846b605259944cb7ed

- Should correct an F1 texture sizing glitch as well.
- Team Apache video freeze fix on nvidia hardware.