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First post, by Sphere478

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Settings for use on older systems with no auto detect. I detected this on my tyan s1564d

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 1 of 8, by AlessandroB

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Is it safe to use this type of drive in a computer as a disk? I don't think they're designed to have the head whip around continuously like a desktop disk, but to write sequential dates as they were snapped by the camera.

Reply 2 of 8, by BetaC

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AlessandroB wrote on 2022-12-19, 07:28:

Is it safe to use this type of drive in a computer as a disk? I don't think they're designed to have the head whip around continuously like a desktop disk, but to write sequential dates as they were snapped by the camera.

They were at least able to do iPod level thrash, though that's mostly at the lower end.

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Reply 3 of 8, by Jo22

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AlessandroB wrote on 2022-12-19, 07:28:

Is it safe to use this type of drive in a computer as a disk? I don't think they're designed to have the head whip around continuously like a desktop disk, but to write sequential dates as they were snapped by the camera.

This also worries me a bit.
I suppose DOS is not as cruesome as Windows 9x here.
DOS loads its drivers at boot, one by one, then it lets the HDD on its own.
16-Bit Windows or GEM/GEOS are similar, I guess.
They idle along happily ever after.

Edit: The table is fascinating, though! Over 11k cylinders in CHS mode! Yikes. 😬

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In what to one race is no time at all, another race can rise and fall..." - The Minstrel

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Reply 5 of 8, by Jo22

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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-12-19, 14:14:

I actually was not able to get it going on the particular model mobo that I am trying probably has a 500 MB limit

That's a possibility, yes.
Maybe it's also related to ATA-2 specification or 8-Bit transfers.

One reason why XTIDE uses CompactFlash is, that Compact Flash is related to PCMCIA and PC Card, I think.

Compact Flash specification allows certain things like 8-Bit transfers, which normal PATA HDDs nolonger support.

It's one of the many reasons it was so popular in embedded and single-board computer (SBC) use.

Anyway, the Micro Drive is related to the Compact Flash ecosystem.
Maybe it can do these things often, too.

Hm.. I don't really know how to help. Not sure what the problem is.

Hm. You can try these utilities, maybe they provide clues which features are available/absent.

WHATIDE:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160411025456/ht … isc/whatide.php

IDE Diag:
Re: IDE disk-on-module + 386

NSSI:
https://www.navsoft.cz/

Anyway, it's not much, I know.

Maybe other users have further ideas.

Good luck. 🙂👍

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In what to one race is no time at all, another race can rise and fall..." - The Minstrel

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Reply 6 of 8, by douglar

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Any problem using EZ Drive? It will autodetect the CHS for you, and the volumes and geometry will be compatible with USB readers.

Reply 7 of 8, by Ryccardo

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BetaC wrote on 2022-12-19, 07:30:

They were at least able to do iPod level thrash, though that's mostly at the lower end.

...and, IIRC, Apple openly said that you could repartition any iPod (temporarily losing its functionality as a player) to use as a boot drive for your PowerPC Mac 😀

Or, of course, you could have turned on disk mode and used it as a "normal use" external drive...

Reply 8 of 8, by Sphere478

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Jo22 wrote on 2022-12-19, 18:39:
That's a possibility, yes. Maybe it's also related to ATA-2 specification or 8-Bit transfers. […]
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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-12-19, 14:14:

I actually was not able to get it going on the particular model mobo that I am trying probably has a 500 MB limit

That's a possibility, yes.
Maybe it's also related to ATA-2 specification or 8-Bit transfers.

One reason why XTIDE uses CompactFlash is, that Compact Flash is related to PCMCIA and PC Card, I think.

Compact Flash specification allows certain things like 8-Bit transfers, which normal PATA HDDs nolonger support.

It's one of the many reasons it was so popular in embedded and single-board computer (SBC) use.

Anyway, the Micro Drive is related to the Compact Flash ecosystem.
Maybe it can do these things often, too.

Hm.. I don't really know how to help. Not sure what the problem is.

Hm. You can try these utilities, maybe they provide clues which features are available/absent.

WHATIDE:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160411025456/ht … isc/whatide.php

IDE Diag:
Re: IDE disk-on-module + 386

NSSI:
https://www.navsoft.cz/

Anyway, it's not much, I know.

Maybe other users have further ideas.

Good luck. 🙂👍

It’s not a biggie. It does work in a 8-bit isa xt-ide

I mainly wanted to document the screenshot for others who might want to use it.

I actually did end up humorously killing one of my microdrives in a speedsys benchmark. The funny part is that it was the new one that I just got not the one I have booted ME from for years. Lol

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
-
SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
-
Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)