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Reply 42420 of 45933, by Tetrium

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Living wrote on 2022-02-07, 10:33:
kolmio wrote on 2022-02-07, 07:19:

Zida Tomato TX-100 with Pentium 200 MMX in this AT case which I really don't like and would be happy to sell

fake pentium mmx 200

The 233MHz ceramic P1 MMX CPUs are all fake. This one was really made with that sspec and frequency in the ceramic package
At first glance I don't see it as being a counterfeit, but perhaps I'm overlooking something here?

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Reply 42421 of 45933, by acl

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Doornkaat wrote on 2022-02-07, 09:58:

Damn I also hate it when that happens! Sorry, man!😐

Thanks !

Nexxen wrote on 2022-02-07, 10:03:

You should have kept your mouth shut, paid the 5€ he asked. 🙁
Happened to me many times in the past 20+ years, just don't ask...

imi wrote on 2022-02-07, 10:19:

turns out the seller had already sold all those cards individually and didn't bother to update the pictures, also didn't get anything back from them. (and it was more than just €5)

Yes there is no real good solutions.
I probably would have been quiet this time. But i've also lost money with the "i take all" approach. Last time, i got a pile of junk without the nice Voodoo 2 seen on the picture.
So that's life. I'm just a bit more annoyed this time because i mostly collect ATI cards while i'm not really a 3dfx enthusiast.

On the average, i think we all still make great deals on flea markets/local ads.

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Reply 42422 of 45933, by Nexxen

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You are going to hate me now,
yesterday I bought a bunch of old IDE and SCSI CD-/DVD-Roms and floppy drives.
The strange looking floppy wasn't a 3.5 mounted on a 5.25 but an ATAPI Zip-100. Testing it now and it's way faster than LPT and SCSI.
Paid 10€ for all and they all work. 0.625€ a piece.

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Reply 42423 of 45933, by Kahenraz

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Tetrium wrote on 2022-02-07, 10:43:

The 233MHz ceramic P1 MMX CPUs are all fake. This one was really made with that sspec and frequency in the ceramic package
At first glance I don't see it as being a counterfeit, but perhaps I'm overlooking something here?

Are you suggesting that all ceramic packages with an MMX label are fake or just the 233 Mhz ones?

Reply 42424 of 45933, by TrashPanda

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Nexxen wrote on 2022-02-07, 11:07:
You are going to hate me now, yesterday I bought a bunch of old IDE CD-/DVD-Roms and floppy drives. The strange looking floppy w […]
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You are going to hate me now,
yesterday I bought a bunch of old IDE CD-/DVD-Roms and floppy drives.
The strange looking floppy wasn't a 3.5 mounted on a 5.25 but an ATAPI Zip-100. Testing it now and it's way faster than LPT and SCSI.
Paid 10€ for all and they all work. 0.625€ a piece.

I scored an ATAPI zip250 in a junk lot, not sure if it works, it’s one of them internal jobs with no bezel.

Oh noes, the cap let the shmooo out 😁

Reply 42425 of 45933, by HanSolo

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Bought two Pentium II: one with 266Mhz, the other with 333Mhz

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Does anybody know the difference between a P2-266 'EC' and 'non EC'?

Reply 42426 of 45933, by imi

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Living wrote on 2022-02-07, 10:33:
kolmio wrote on 2022-02-07, 07:19:

Zida Tomato TX-100 with Pentium 200 MMX in this AT case which I really don't like and would be happy to sell

fake pentium mmx 200

doesn't look fake to me either, what makes you think that?

Reply 42427 of 45933, by TrashPanda

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HanSolo wrote on 2022-02-07, 11:48:

Bought two Pentium II: one with 266Mhz, the other with 333Mhz
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Does anybody know the difference between a P2-266 'EC' and 'non EC'?

EC supports ECC memory, non EC the opposite

Oh noes, the cap let the shmooo out 😁

Reply 42428 of 45933, by HanSolo

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-07, 11:59:
HanSolo wrote on 2022-02-07, 11:48:

Bought two Pentium II: one with 266Mhz, the other with 333Mhz
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Does anybody know the difference between a P2-266 'EC' and 'non EC'?

EC supports ECC memory, non EC the opposite

Thank you! Sounds totally obvious - now 😀 I just could find this information anywhere.

Reply 42429 of 45933, by TrashPanda

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HanSolo wrote on 2022-02-07, 12:11:
TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-07, 11:59:
HanSolo wrote on 2022-02-07, 11:48:

Bought two Pentium II: one with 266Mhz, the other with 333Mhz
PentiumII.jpg
Does anybody know the difference between a P2-266 'EC' and 'non EC'?

EC supports ECC memory, non EC the opposite

Thank you! Sounds totally obvious - now 😀 I just could find this information anywhere.

Them EC versions are rock solid chips, designed for servers mostly but should work in a gaming system in a pinch.

Oh noes, the cap let the shmooo out 😁

Reply 42430 of 45933, by Thandor

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Kahenraz wrote on 2022-02-07, 11:40:
Tetrium wrote on 2022-02-07, 10:43:

The 233MHz ceramic P1 MMX CPUs are all fake. This one was really made with that sspec and frequency in the ceramic package
At first glance I don't see it as being a counterfeit, but perhaps I'm overlooking something here?

Are you suggesting that all ceramic packages with an MMX label are fake or just the 233 Mhz ones?

Just the 233MHz versions. 233 is always PPGA. The 166MMX and 200MMX exist in both CPGA and PPGA. The 200MMX in the picture doesn’t look fake, however the imprint of the sSpec and production date is somewhat shiny but that’s probably a camera-thing rather than a counterfeit product 😉.

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Reply 42431 of 45933, by Nexxen

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-02-07, 11:46:
Nexxen wrote on 2022-02-07, 11:07:
You are going to hate me now, yesterday I bought a bunch of old IDE CD-/DVD-Roms and floppy drives. The strange looking floppy w […]
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You are going to hate me now,
yesterday I bought a bunch of old IDE CD-/DVD-Roms and floppy drives.
The strange looking floppy wasn't a 3.5 mounted on a 5.25 but an ATAPI Zip-100. Testing it now and it's way faster than LPT and SCSI.
Paid 10€ for all and they all work. 0.625€ a piece.

I scored an ATAPI zip250 in a junk lot, not sure if it works, it’s one of them internal jobs with no bezel.

I really hope it works. It's so much faster and easy to use!

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Reply 42432 of 45933, by kolmio

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imi wrote on 2022-02-07, 11:58:
Living wrote on 2022-02-07, 10:33:
kolmio wrote on 2022-02-07, 07:19:

Zida Tomato TX-100 with Pentium 200 MMX in this AT case which I really don't like and would be happy to sell

fake pentium mmx 200

doesn't look fake to me either, what makes you think that?

Unfortunately the board doesn't POST, though the CPU heatsink gets warm (and there are three strange faint clicks from the speaker instead of beeps)
So I can't tell at the moment if it's real or fake

And by the way, this board has CPU fan and ATX power connectors so close together, that they can't be used simultaneously 🙁 at least without cutting off PSU connector bracket

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Reply 42433 of 45933, by RaiderOfLostVoodoo

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acl wrote on 2022-02-07, 10:56:

I probably would have been quiet this time. But i've also lost money with the "i take all" approach. Last time, i got a pile of junk without the nice Voodoo 2 seen on the picture.

imi wrote on 2022-02-07, 10:19:

yeah, I did that once and then received the lot without all the cool cards that were on the pictures
turns out the seller had already sold all those cards individually and didn't bother to update the pictures, also didn't get anything back from them.
(and it was more than just €5)

That would count as a scam here in Krautland.
If it's on Ebay, just get your money back. If it's on a locals site, threaten with lawyer/police.

Some months ago, I saw something like that on a Ebay feedback. Scrap seller auctioned off a CPU lot. The buyer received a lot without the goldcap CPUs which where on the picture.

Reply 42434 of 45933, by imi

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RaiderOfLostVoodoo wrote on 2022-02-07, 13:39:
imi wrote on 2022-02-07, 10:19:

yeah, I did that once and then received the lot without all the cool cards that were on the pictures
turns out the seller had already sold all those cards individually and didn't bother to update the pictures, also didn't get anything back from them.
(and it was more than just €5)

That would count as a scam here in Krautland.
If it's on Ebay, just get your money back. If it's on a locals site, threaten with lawyer/police.

now with the changed payment system chances on ebay are a lot better yeah, but wasn't ebay was on a local marketplace site, and even then, during that time mostly all those auctions on ebay-krautland 😉 were bank transfer only anyways so no chance unless the seller was honest.

I did threaten them but at some point they just stopped replying, they even said it was my fault for not asking... and unfortunately I neither have the time nor energy to pursue something like that for a 2-digit € amount... and yeah, I know, dishonest people count on exactly that 🙁

anyways... in more positive news, I got this cute little thing

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Reply 42435 of 45933, by Turbo ->

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Bought this PC in the recycling center for a small amount of money. Inside there is an Abit KX7-333 motherboard. Two capacitors have leaked badly, and need to be replaced, along with two or three that have bulged. But she still boots, which is most important.

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Reply 42436 of 45933, by bjwil1991

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Won an IBM Model M that's almost 31 years old (2-15-1991) with a few Unicomp keys (control, alt, and shift keys) and I bought a Microsoft USB/PS/2 trackball mouse with a scrolling wheel.

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The keyboard has a modification that has screws in place of the crappy rivets so in case the keys aren't responding very well, it'll be an easier job to fix it. Wish my 1987 model had that (still have that, however, some of the keys aren't responding anymore).

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Reply 42437 of 45933, by acl

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Nice keyboard.
I would love to have coloured keys on mine. But since it's French layout, the left "shift" key is smaller, so replacement keys you can buy does not fit.
I have two of them (not counting an M2, witch is really a cheaper version) .
I use them everyday for work (and currently using one for this message)

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Reply 42439 of 45933, by fool

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Some processors, again. This time random Pentium II. I got 4x 450MHz SL2U7 which will be enough to upgrade my PII builds including one dual-slot board.

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