So I found a driver pack... from a sketch website... but it worked, I think I installed the correct driver.
Used the CD I had before to get the AudioHQ and DOS Driver... which all work.

But the only thing I can't get working is the Audigy Gameport. I add it from add/remove, then it just disappears.

badconduct wrote on 2024-08-13, 02:37:

So I found a driver pack... from a sketch website... but it worked, I think I installed the correct driver.
Used the CD I had before to get the AudioHQ and DOS Driver... which all work.

As mentioned in the other thread, my guide is only meant to be used with the customized driver image that I've uploaded to Vogonsdrivers.

If your card requires a specific set of drivers (as some LE/SE/ES variants do) then you should certainly use those. However, in that case, I'd ask you to open a new thread for any problems that you may encounter. Such issues are beyond the scope of this guide, and you'll have a better chance of getting help from others in a dedicated thread.

badconduct wrote on 2024-08-13, 02:37:

So I found a driver pack... from a sketch website... but it worked, I think I installed the correct driver.
Used the CD I had before to get the AudioHQ and DOS Driver... which all work.

But the only thing I can't get working is the Audigy Gameport. I add it from add/remove, then it just disappears.

I uploaded on Internet Archive a Retail CD for Audigy ES (SB0160) along with updates for Win98SE/WinXP/Win7.
Get them here: https://archive.org/details/audigy-es-sb-0160-updates
It works for me, hopefully will work for you too.

Hi. I tried it on my setup and it worked properly. I had to force uninstall a couple of already installed drivers and software by the official driver and after that it was a success!
On step 3.3 it hung a couple of times. After that, it prompted me to point to the driver, which I did point to the VXD subfolder and then it was able to continue.

Setup: Athlon XP 3200+, 1GB RAM (with RLOEW patch), GF6800LE, SB Audigy 2ZS, ASUS A7V600 (VIA KT600).

Thank you for that, much appreciated work!

GeorgeMan wrote on 2024-08-19, 07:42:

Hi. I tried it on my setup and it worked properly. I had to force uninstall a couple of already installed drivers and software by the official driver and after that it was a success!
On step 3.3 it hung a couple of times. After that, it prompted me to point to the driver, which I did point to the VXD subfolder and then it was able to continue.

Yeah, this can happen if there were previous versions of Creative drivers on the system. That is one of the reasons why I always recommend a clean OS install if using this guide. Unfortunately, simply uninstalling the old drivers is not enough.

Thank you for that, much appreciated work!

You're welcome! Cheers!

Sound and musics works great too under real DOS reboot of Windows 98.
However, i noticed it slowndown a lot my games after i run C:\AUDIGY12\AUDIGY12.EXE.
Do you know if i need do something to reduce the slowdown ?

The problem is not related to my CPU as i'm using a 2.8Ghz Pentium 4 🤣 and a Geforce 4 Ti4200.

TgamesFR wrote on 2024-09-01, 12:49:

Sound and musics works great too under real DOS reboot of Windows 98.
However, i noticed it slowndown a lot my games after i run C:\AUDIGY12\AUDIGY12.EXE.
Do you know if i need do something to reduce the slowdown ?

I don't think I've seen this behavior before, at least no one has reported it so far. Might be something specific to your setup and/or hardware.

They said, the AUDIGY12.EXE utility was originally provided by @PDSoft and uploaded here by @betamax80. One of them might be able to give you a more detailed answer, assuming they are still active on this forum.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2024-09-01, 13:14:

I don't think I've seen this behavior before, at least no one has reported it so far. Might be something specific to your setup and/or hardware.

They said, the AUDIGY12.EXE utility was originally provided by @PDSoft and uploaded here by @betamax80. One of them might be able to give you a more detailed answer, assuming they are still active on this forum.

By slowndown a lot i mean it runs like 60 fps without musics/sounds and like 30 fps with.
It's playable but not smooth.
On Windows 98 if i run the same game in dos mode i have full speed but not all games can runs also in Windows 98.

TgamesFR wrote on 2024-09-01, 13:40:

By slowndown a lot i mean it runs like 60 fps without musics/sounds and like 30 fps with.
It's playable but not smooth.
On Windows 98 if i run the same game in dos mode i have full speed but not all games can runs also in Windows 98.

As far as I know, AUDIGY12.EXE is just supposed to unmute the mixer of an Audigy 2 or ZS, since it's muted by default on those cards in pure DOS. No idea why it would cause games to slow down on your system, but again, the actual creator(s) of the utility may know more.

Just to double check, you actually have an Audigy 2 or ZS card, right? This utility isn't meant to be used on any other Audigy models.

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2024-09-01, 13:14:

I don't think I've seen this behavior before, at least no one has reported it so far. Might be something specific to your setup and/or hardware.

They said, the AUDIGY12.EXE utility was originally provided by @PDSoft and uploaded here by @betamax80. One of them might be able to give you a more detailed answer, assuming they are still active on this forum.

By slowndown a lot i mean it runs like 60 fps without musics/sounds and like 30 fps with.
It's playable but not smooth.
On Windows 98 if i run the same game in dos mode i have full speed but not all games can runs also in Windows 98.

Are you using limitmem.sys to limit your system to 64MB RAM in pure DOS? If not, I'd start there.

I can also support that I have experienced unexpected possible o in DOS when too much memory of installed. I actually limit it to 16MB. I can't think of any reason to need more than that.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2024-09-01, 14:38:

As far as I know, AUDIGY12.EXE is just supposed to unmute the mixer of an Audigy 2 or ZS, since it's muted by default on those cards in pure DOS. No idea why it would cause games to slow down on your system, but again, the actual creator(s) of the utility may know more.

Just to double check, you actually have an Audigy 2 or ZS card, right? This utility isn't meant to be used on any other Audigy models.

Yes i have a Audigy 2 ZS Model SB0350.

kingcake wrote on 2024-09-01, 20:06:

Are you using limitmem.sys to limit your system to 64MB RAM in pure DOS? If not, I'd start there.

No it's stock Windows 98 with nothing modified, just drivers and this special driver for sound card.
I will look into limitmem.sys so, cause i have 512MB of RAM.

Kahenraz wrote on 2024-09-01, 23:57:

I can also support that I have experienced unexpected possible o in DOS when too much memory of installed. I actually limit it to 16MB. I can't think of any reason to need more than that.

I will try.

Just for info my motherboard is a ASRock P4i65G normally it's notorious to be very reliable thanks to Intel 865G & ICH5 chipsets.

Guys, see if you can help me. At the 98SE boot the message appears that the SB16 driver has not been loaded but in the Device Manager it shows that the SB16 Emulation is working correctly. And when I try to run Audigy12 in DOS, the message "Wrong Audigy detection!" appears. See the images, please.

The sound on windows works normally. The only game I tested was Ultimate Doom and it also worked.

I have an Audigy 2 ZS SB0350 installed in the PCI 5 slot of an Asus K8V-SE Deluxe.
I disabled all USB, COM, and LPT ports.
The board by default was installed in the IRQ11 and the SB Emulation in the IRQ7.

Thanks!

b0izera wrote on 2024-09-06, 16:11:

Guys, see if you can help me. At the 98SE boot the message appears that the SB16 driver has not been loaded but in the Device Ma […]
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Guys, see if you can help me. At the 98SE boot the message appears that the SB16 driver has not been loaded but in the Device Manager it shows that the SB16 Emulation is working correctly. And when I try to run Audigy12 in DOS, the message "Wrong Audigy detection!" appears. See the images, please.

The sound on windows works normally. The only game I tested was Ultimate Doom and it also worked.

I have an Audigy 2 ZS SB0350 installed in the PCI 5 slot of an Asus K8V-SE Deluxe.
I disabled all USB, COM, and LPT ports.
The board by default was installed in the IRQ11 and the SB Emulation in the IRQ7.

Thanks!

In your BIOS fo the the PnP/isa/pci settings page (every BIOS setup calls it something slightly different) and there will be a way to specify IRQ 7 is reserved for ISA.
This will keep other devices off IRQ7 and should allow the emulation to work.

b0izera wrote on 2024-09-06, 16:11:

I have an Audigy 2 ZS SB0350 installed in the PCI 5 slot of an Asus K8V-SE Deluxe.

Check System Information as per step 1.5 to see if something might be using the IRQ and DMAs that the SB16 emulation device needs.

kingcake wrote on 2024-09-06, 16:20:

In your BIOS fo the the PnP/isa/pci settings page (every BIOS setup calls it something slightly different) and there will be a way to specify IRQ 7 is reserved for ISA.
This will keep other devices off IRQ7 and should allow the emulation to work.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2024-09-06, 16:35:

Check System Information as per step 1.5 to see if something might be using the IRQ and DMAs that the SB16 emulation device needs.

Thank you, guys.
I found that what conflicts with the Audigy 2 are the usb drivers. The usb drivers install right on IRQ 10 with Audigy. Is there any way to install the drivers on another IRQ?

b0izera wrote on 2024-09-07, 17:34:

Thank you, guys.
I found that what conflicts with the Audigy 2 are the usb drivers. The usb drivers install right on IRQ 10 with Audigy. Is there any way to install the drivers on another IRQ?

Try moving the Audigy to a different PCI slot and see if that helps.

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Thank you, guys. I found that what conflicts with the Audigy 2 are the usb drivers. The usb drivers install right on IRQ 10 wit […]
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kingcake wrote on 2024-09-06, 16:20:

In your BIOS fo the the PnP/isa/pci settings page (every BIOS setup calls it something slightly different) and there will be a way to specify IRQ 7 is reserved for ISA.
This will keep other devices off IRQ7 and should allow the emulation to work.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2024-09-06, 16:35:

Check System Information as per step 1.5 to see if something might be using the IRQ and DMAs that the SB16 emulation device needs.

Thank you, guys.
I found that what conflicts with the Audigy 2 are the usb drivers. The usb drivers install right on IRQ 10 with Audigy. Is there any way to install the drivers on another IRQ?

The IRQ of the Audigy itself is irrelevant. PCI devices use virtual IRQs and can share them. PCI devices don't have IRQ conflicts. You mentioned your SB Emulation is on IRQ7, that's where the problem is. You need to tell your BIOS IRQ7 is reserved for ISA.

kingcake wrote on 2024-09-08, 18:50:

The IRQ of the Audigy itself is irrelevant. PCI devices use virtual IRQs and can share them. PCI devices don't have IRQ conflicts.

That's not entirely true. Both the BIOS and the operating system must support and ACPI and implement PCI IRQ steering. It's also possible to encounter a scenario where the BIOS supports ACPI but does not expose IRQ steering tables that the operating system supports, as was my experience with an nForce chipset on Windows 98.

Windows 98 installation on nForce 430 hanging during detection of plug and play devices