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The quest for the perfect retro laptop: a saga

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Reply 1060 of 1074, by PcBytes

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Funny enough, I got a few nice laptops to have:

- Armada 1598DT (Tilly! Also TFT, no mural DSTN)
- Hyundai HN-5000 (standard P55C, had to ghetto-rig an Acer power jack to it. AKA Gericom 6200AT)
- Maxdata Artist Eton Pro (aka MP-989, the mysterious lappy that has 3x SDR slots and uses Award BIOS no less.)

Last one might need a BIOS reflash - it hangs right after the POST with a blinking cursor.

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Reply 1061 of 1074, by 3lectr1c

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I know the "try a CMOS reset" advice is dished out all the time and rarely actually fixes anything, but....try that on the MP-989. Pull the clock battery and main battery (even if it's dead, if it holds any residual charge, it can hold CMOS settings), then try booting after a few minutes. My MP-989 started doing exactly what you describe, and that's what fixed it.
Also, the MP-989 should be able to take an insane (for a Pentium II) 768MB of RAM!!! The only catch is that each 256MB module must have 16 chips (8 per side), and one of the three slots requires a low-profile module. I've tested with my MP-989, and it posts with 640MB installed. Haven't tried 768 because I only have two 256MB modules.

The MP-989 has ATI video so it should do just fine for early Windows games. It has the Maestro-2 sound chip, so DOS is probably best avoided.

And if you don't know yet, the MP-989 was manufactured by Chicony: https://www.macdat.net/laptops/chicony/mp989.php
I'll be updating my MP-989 page with more info and photos sometime soon. Max RAM is listed as 512MB on the page as until I got mine, no one had tested higher than that yet.

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Reply 1062 of 1074, by vorob

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ATI Rage Pro LT, wow, what is it, what year was that? I thought first 3d accelerated card in laptops was ATI m1.

Reply 1063 of 1074, by Kahenraz

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Seems like a low power version of the Rage Pro.

Ati Rage LT Pro

Reply 1065 of 1074, by 3lectr1c

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vorob wrote on 2025-05-14, 18:00:

ATI Rage Pro LT, wow, what is it, what year was that? I thought first 3d accelerated card in laptops was ATI m1.

Rage LT Pro was the first ATI chip used in laptops. It's quite common in stuff from 1999.

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Reply 1066 of 1074, by megatron-uk

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3lectr1c wrote on 2025-05-16, 02:06:
vorob wrote on 2025-05-14, 18:00:

ATI Rage Pro LT, wow, what is it, what year was that? I thought first 3d accelerated card in laptops was ATI m1.

Rage LT Pro was the first ATI chip used in laptops. It's quite common in stuff from 1999.

Yep, it's in *loads*. Quite a nice option, as it introduced what ATI termed "ratiometric" scaling; i.e. you don't get the jaggies normally associated with DOS era laptops, nor black bars; all screen modes are scaled full screen and with interpolation. All the ATI chips which came afterwards also had this.

If you can get a laptop with the ATI chip and a solid DOS-supported sound option (ESS, Yamaha), then you've got a solid DOS gaming system (games with ATI bugs notwithstanding!).

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Reply 1067 of 1074, by marxveix

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ATI Rage 3 drivers where bad at first, by the time 1998 and for sure in 1999 the drivers got better, i use latest available MACXW4 / ATI2DDAD hybrid driver and its all what i need from first real ATi D3D. Same was with OpenGL, it got better. ATi Rage 3 can do D3D/OpenGL/3DCIF/DVD with one good driver, for me its my 2611 driver, works ok up to DirectX7. Rage3 works with DOS and Win3.x, but its best at Win9x from my point of view. 3DNow/SSE is supported, also 8bit paletted textures + some games have fog, but not all games.

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Reply 1068 of 1074, by lti

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3lectr1c wrote on 2025-03-17, 23:58:
BitWrangler wrote on 2025-03-17, 18:38:

If it's ABS you can chemically weld it with Methyl Ethyl Ketone (MEK) or acetone (takes longer to dissolve) and make repair cement with ground ABS in either of those.

I've found that MEK usually doesn't work well at all on this old brittle stuff. It can work well on newer plastics that are still solid. I think the issue is that this old plastic "crumbles" more than it breaks, meaning that the melted plastic doesn't really make a good bond. That, and even if you do get it to bond back together, it's still just as brittle. If it's in an area that is put under stress, it will just break again regardless.
JB Weld and/or other epoxies that actually add structural material are the way to go here.

JB Weld wouldn't adhere well to the plastic on my Gateway Solo 2500, but ABS pipe cement did. It's a mix of ABS plastic in acetone and MEK, so it adds material instead of just melting the parts together. It's just ugly because it's black compared to the dark gray original plastic.

megatron-uk wrote on 2025-03-14, 15:24:

Gods (status / score panel at bottom of screen is jerky when scrolling, but the main playfield/sprites are not)
Monster Bash 1 - 2 (like Gods; main playfield is smooth, but status bar is jerky)

If I understand what you're saying (the HUD shakes when the playfield scrolls horizontally), Jazz Jackrabbit has the same problem.

Reply 1069 of 1074, by vorob

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I hate the ATI M1, it's an absolutely useless video card.

In Quake 2, there were visual artifacts.
In Thief, some polygons were missing in certain places.
In Unreal, there were visual problems too.

I tried different drivers. Used two laptops: a Compaq N400C and some ultra-wide Sony. Sold both devices and breathed a sigh of relief.

And what did I do next? Bought another machine with the same video card anyway!

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Fujitsu Lifebook P1110

Unfortunately, I deleted all my M1 drivers and now I’m looking for them again. The default drivers that come with the laptop don't launch games with 3D acceleration.

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Reply 1070 of 1074, by marxveix

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vorob wrote on 2025-05-17, 05:13:
I hate the ATI M1, it's an absolutely useless video card. […]
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I hate the ATI M1, it's an absolutely useless video card.

In Quake 2, there were visual artifacts.
In Thief, some polygons were missing in certain places.
In Unreal, there were visual problems too.

Unfortunately, I deleted all my M1 drivers and now I’m looking for them again. The default drivers that come with the laptop don't launch games with 3D acceleration.

Can you show your ingame artifacts? I love my RagePro/XL cards and no problems in Quake2, same as your Rage Mobility. I think you are using not the best driver out there and ati rage3 drivers are very flexible ones and for me its performance is ok. Possible to modify driver if someting not works, upgrade or downgrade d3d and opengl file, ati m1 @cif is no go, all other stuff works, also atidvd.

Why you need to look them, there are plenty rage drivers out there and many works, my driver also works. Soon i update driver package, made some small changes.

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Reply 1071 of 1074, by Kahenraz

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I love the Rage XL. The Rage Pro is missing a few enhancements, but is very similar and still a great early accelerator. Someone can direct me if I'm wrong, but I imagine that the m1 is closer in features to the XL than the Pro.

It would be interesting to see how the m1 compares in the RtCW Demo menus.

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Reply 1072 of 1074, by vorob

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I'll be back with the samples and will try your drivers, thanks.

In the mean time take a look at disassembled compaq n410c. Really love this machine since it's very compact, light weight, but packed as beast, with pentium 3 and ati m6. It can run even vice city!

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Reply 1073 of 1074, by vorob

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I've tried several drivers. Some of them don't have OpenGL support, some of them can play Quake II normally, and one of them showed artifacts in Quake II. Unreal 1, on some drivers, only runs in software mode even when D3D is enabled; on others, there's no lighting and everything appears too bright, or I see strange black artifacts. Some drivers don't provide hardware acceleration in Thief, but with all the others the game runs but with missing polygons.

If you can recommend the best driver, please let me know. I can also provide details about my video card if needed. Mine is

[ATI.Mfg]
"RAGE MOBILITY " = ati2mpab_ENU_PCI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4C52&SUBSYS_110210CF
"RAGE MOBILITY " = ati2mpab_ENU_PCI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4C52&SUBSYS_114F10CF
"RAGE MOBILITY " = ati2mpab_ENU_PCI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4C52&SUBSYS_10C910CF
"RAGE MOBILITY" = ati2mpab_ENU_PCI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4C52&SUBSYS_110310CF

Reply 1074 of 1074, by marxveix

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vorob wrote on 2025-05-19, 08:11:
I've tried several drivers. Some of them don't have OpenGL support, some of them can play Quake II normally, and one of them sho […]
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I've tried several drivers. Some of them don't have OpenGL support, some of them can play Quake II normally, and one of them showed artifacts in Quake II. Unreal 1, on some drivers, only runs in software mode even when D3D is enabled; on others, there's no lighting and everything appears too bright, or I see strange black artifacts. Some drivers don't provide hardware acceleration in Thief, but with all the others the game runs but with missing polygons.

If you can recommend the best driver, please let me know. I can also provide details about my video card if needed. Mine is

[ATI.Mfg]
"RAGE MOBILITY " = ati2mpab_ENU_PCI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4C52&SUBSYS_110210CF
"RAGE MOBILITY " = ati2mpab_ENU_PCI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4C52&SUBSYS_114F10CF
"RAGE MOBILITY " = ati2mpab_ENU_PCI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4C52&SUBSYS_10C910CF
"RAGE MOBILITY" = ati2mpab_ENU_PCI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4C52&SUBSYS_110310CF

I am using Win9x and my drivers are for Win9x only!

Ati2mpab is W2K/XP drivers for Rage3. You get less D3D/OpenGL performance out of w2k vs win9x and you need all the speed.
OpenGL: only 16bit is accelerated, dont try any other! Some old D3D games need 16 bit color only. Use 16bit colors for destkop!

I dont use 2k or xp for rage3. I would try some tweaked drivers, here is one dx8 one and i still recommend win9x/2k dualboot
https://disk.yandex.ru/d/eV600jDAliJ_3w/Tweak … Wes%20Miser?w=1

Also try tweaked and recommended 2k driver from here. try search same file names from net, i also have them somewhere.
https://www.oocities.org/ziyadhosein/rprow2k.htm

30+ MiniGL/OpenGL Win9x files for all Rage3 cards: Re: ATi RagePro OpenGL files