Decivox wrote on 2025-07-29, 01:33:

If you send me a link to the demo I can try it out, I am not familiar with it. […]
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Dothan Burger wrote on 2025-07-28, 22:50:

Decivox wrote on 2025-07-28, 22:16:

So I ran 3DMark 2001 yesterday with the 55.64 driver and got ~9200.

I then decided to install an FPS to test input lag since I hadnt tried one yet so I installed Tribes 2. Loaded it up and got crazy artifacting. Updated to 77.72 and Tribes 2 worked great, and I noticed no input lag. Were you using a USB keyboard and mouse? I am on PS/2 for both.

I re-ran 3DMark 2001 with the 77.72 drivers and get 8650 now. Perhaps I could change to a bit of an earlier driver for better results and still have Tribes 2 work, but right now the GPU isnt holding me back from playing what I want.

Yeah, I always use PS2 with 98. One application that I could easily reproduce the lag in was the Chameleon demo, It's hard to make the Chameleon spin as fast with a mouse flick as other systems. And the demo would hitch every color change.

I'm glad the card is working out for you. Though it is surprising that it doesn't support palleted textures, I thought the FX 5900 did.

If you send me a link to the demo I can try it out, I am not familiar with it.

I decided to try forcing everyone's favorite driver, 45.23, through the device manager, and although it would install, it would never load. My research indicated that 61.77 and 67.66 perform better than 77.72, so I tried them both. Surprisingly they are the only driver version to support the FX 1300 out of the box - no NVAML edits required.

61.77 I get artifacting again in Tribes 2. Didnt bother with 3DMark.

67.66 Tribes 2 works without issue and my 3DMark 01 score went up to 9832. I dont have time now, but will do more testing and report back.

It's a Nvidia Geforce 3 tech demo. A chameleon walks on a branch with mouse control to manipulate the view point. https://international.download.nvidia.com/dow … s/Chameleon.exe

Dothan Burger wrote on 2025-07-30, 01:12:

Decivox wrote on 2025-07-29, 01:33:

If you send me a link to the demo I can try it out, I am not familiar with it. […]
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Dothan Burger wrote on 2025-07-28, 22:50:

Yeah, I always use PS2 with 98. One application that I could easily reproduce the lag in was the Chameleon demo, It's hard to make the Chameleon spin as fast with a mouse flick as other systems. And the demo would hitch every color change.

I'm glad the card is working out for you. Though it is surprising that it doesn't support palleted textures, I thought the FX 5900 did.

If you send me a link to the demo I can try it out, I am not familiar with it.

I decided to try forcing everyone's favorite driver, 45.23, through the device manager, and although it would install, it would never load. My research indicated that 61.77 and 67.66 perform better than 77.72, so I tried them both. Surprisingly they are the only driver version to support the FX 1300 out of the box - no NVAML edits required.

61.77 I get artifacting again in Tribes 2. Didnt bother with 3DMark.

67.66 Tribes 2 works without issue and my 3DMark 01 score went up to 9832. I dont have time now, but will do more testing and report back.

It's a Nvidia Geforce 3 tech demo. A chameleon walks on a branch with mouse control to manipulate the view point. https://international.download.nvidia.com/dow … s/Chameleon.exe

Ah yea.. the DX demo runs somewhat smoothly and I can get the camera spinning pretty good, but once the chameleon changes colours, I get a fairly bad lag spike.

The GL demo just runs like a slide show the whole time.

Decivox wrote on 2025-07-31, 22:45:

Dothan Burger wrote on 2025-07-30, 01:12:

Decivox wrote on 2025-07-29, 01:33:

If you send me a link to the demo I can try it out, I am not familiar with it. […]
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If you send me a link to the demo I can try it out, I am not familiar with it.

I decided to try forcing everyone's favorite driver, 45.23, through the device manager, and although it would install, it would never load. My research indicated that 61.77 and 67.66 perform better than 77.72, so I tried them both. Surprisingly they are the only driver version to support the FX 1300 out of the box - no NVAML edits required.

61.77 I get artifacting again in Tribes 2. Didnt bother with 3DMark.

67.66 Tribes 2 works without issue and my 3DMark 01 score went up to 9832. I dont have time now, but will do more testing and report back.

It's a Nvidia Geforce 3 tech demo. A chameleon walks on a branch with mouse control to manipulate the view point. https://international.download.nvidia.com/dow … s/Chameleon.exe

Ah yea.. the DX demo runs somewhat smoothly and I can get the camera spinning pretty good, but once the chameleon changes colours, I get a fairly bad lag spike.

The GL demo just runs like a slide show the whole time.

That's been my experience as well, thanks for trying.

This weekend I did a significant amount of driving to get to an event and was able to locate an X850 XT 256 mb along the way which I was able to buy for $20.

It brought my 3DMark 01 score from 8,650 to 22,434 and my 3DMark 00 score from 5,650 to 28,713 (I was surprised the FX 1300 had a lower 00 score than 01 score - something obviously isn't right).

Also the Direct3D mode in Gearhead Garage now works! Ill need to do more testing but so far its much, much improved.

I guess I would say dont bother with the Quadro FX 1300 if youre looking for a PCI-E card for a Windows 98 build... it just doesnt perform as you would expect considering the cards lineage.

Perhaps the quadro could be modded to become geforce and use geforce drivers? IIRC people used to do it the other way around back in the day. That may help, or it may not...

Anyway good find, those X850XT. It is much faster than anything FX...

Archer57 wrote on 2025-08-06, 01:38:

Perhaps the quadro could be modded to become geforce and use geforce drivers? IIRC people used to do it the other way around back in the day. That may help, or it may not...

Anyway good find, those X850XT. It is much faster than anything FX...

Someone was actually working on that in this thread, but not sure if they ever completed it. They were going as far as even replacing the memory modules though.

Worklog/Project: Turning a Quadro FX1300 into a PCX5950

Decivox wrote on 2025-08-06, 02:18:

Someone was actually working on that in this thread, but not sure if they ever completed it. They were going as far as even replacing the memory modules though.

Worklog/Project: Turning a Quadro FX1300 into a PCX5950

Hmm, that's a very interesting thread. But as far as i can see the hardest mods, like swapping the memory, are needed to achieve the frequencies FX card has.

If the goal is just converting it to FX while keeping quadro frequencies it should be much easier. Should be a matter of editing the bios (to reduce the frequencies) and changing the resistors to make it recognized as FX by the driver.

Though i may be wrong as i have not done it myself - for some reason quadro cards are completely unobtainable out here...

Decivox wrote on 2025-08-05, 21:36:

This weekend I did a significant amount of driving to get to an event and was able to locate an X850 XT 256 mb along the way which I was able to buy for $20.
I guess I would say dont bother with the Quadro FX 1300 if youre looking for a PCI-E card for a Windows 98 build... it just doesnt perform as you would expect considering the cards lineage.

I think you get FX 1300 for compatibility sake 1-st, not performance.
Quadro should be better with support on old DX5-DX6 games that need Palette Textures or Table Fog (and which emulation for those features isn't available for R300 line-up on Win98).
In short : If you simply don't plan to play games that use those features or can simply "live"/play without them - there is no point in FX 1300 (aside from size/no extra power connector and OpenGL support... maybe).
There is also less than ideal 70-series Forceware driver thing to worry about on all PCX series cards vs. recommended by everyone 45.23 (not sure how much that is an issue for you) AND whole HSI bridge thing.
Sure, Radeon will have driver issues too on Win98, but unless you actually hit those in games - Radeon should be (arguably) more optimal choice.

agent_x007 wrote on 2025-08-09, 17:26:

I think you get FX 1300 for compatibility sake 1-st, not performance. Quadro should be better with support on old DX5-DX6 games […]
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Decivox wrote on 2025-08-05, 21:36:

This weekend I did a significant amount of driving to get to an event and was able to locate an X850 XT 256 mb along the way which I was able to buy for $20.
I guess I would say dont bother with the Quadro FX 1300 if youre looking for a PCI-E card for a Windows 98 build... it just doesnt perform as you would expect considering the cards lineage.

I think you get FX 1300 for compatibility sake 1-st, not performance.
Quadro should be better with support on old DX5-DX6 games that need Palette Textures or Table Fog (and which emulation for those features isn't available for R300 line-up on Win98).
In short : If you simply don't plan to play games that use those features or can simply "live"/play without them - there is no point in FX 1300 (aside from size/no extra power connector and OpenGL support... maybe).
There is also less than ideal 70-series Forceware driver thing to worry about on all PCX series cards vs. recommended by everyone 45.23 (not sure how much that is an issue for you) AND whole HSI bridge thing.
Sure, Radeon will have driver issues too on Win98, but unless you actually hit those in games - Radeon should be (arguably) more optimal choice.

Unfortunately the FX 1300 doesn’t support palleted textures from what I could see, I recently saw a video where Phil’s computer lab also found the same thing. However I will miss its table fog support.

Decivox wrote on 2025-08-10, 22:30:

However I will miss its table fog support.

If you don't mind dual booting with WinXP, you can play any games which use table fog there.

Just be sure to install Catalyst 7.11 (or newer) and you'll have 100% perfect table fog emulation on that X850 card.

Decivox wrote on 2025-08-10, 22:30:

Unfortunately the FX 1300 doesn’t support palleted textures from what I could see, I recently saw a video where Phil’s computer lab also found the same thing. However I will miss its table fog support.

PCX 5750 supports it :

Based on ^this, I think it's just a driver issue/limitation.