VOGONS


First post, by AxeMan

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie

after my motherboard was toasted, I got a new motherboard (p4s800d-x) and 2 new gpus that I could find

one of them is mx 440 64 bit 64 mb
other one is radeon 9550 256mb ( I'm not sure about the bit)

I don't have any friends or a good community to help me with retro rigs in my country, I often try to get recommendations from the chatgpt. I don't trust that sonuvabich but sometimes it can bring me some good info.

So when I asked which gpu to choose, it recommended me the mx 440. I got suspicious but it kept on recommending that. So, what is your take on this? And which directx version do you recommend? Should I stick to dx7 or switch to 8.1?

The games I want to play :

diablo 2, fallout 2, heroes of might and magic 3, fallout tactics, descent 3, half life, quake 3, the sims, icewind dale 2, blood 2 chosen, delta force 2, outcast, nox, arcanum, the settlers 4, turok 2, heretic 2, thief 2

Thanks in advance!

Reply 1 of 7, by RetroPCCupboard

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

I think Thief II would probably look better on the MX 440, but the 64-bit version is not really desirable. But since you have it, you may as well test it to see if it performs well enough for you. Its a directx 7 card, so I think no point installing directx 8.1 with it.

I haven't used Radeon 9550 so can't really comment on performance, but I know Radeons are less compatible than Geforce when it comes to older Win9x games.

Reply 2 of 7, by leonardo

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

You list at least one game that uses the paletted fog feature (Thief 2), which will for that reason look better on the MX440. The MX440 despite being only DX7 compatible in hardware would have shipped with drivers that were already built and tested against DX8 at least, so no reason to hold back there.

For any games built with DX9 in mind, the Radeon would be better - and it should be waay faster than the MX. Hard to say for sure with all the nonsense going on at the time (128- vs 64-bit bus, SE vs non-SE, etc.)...

[Install Win95 like you were born in 1985!] on systems like this or this.

Reply 3 of 7, by AxeMan

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie

thanks for all the answers so for now I'm sticking to mx 440. I'll keep searching for the 128bit of the mx440, though.

Reply 4 of 7, by RetroPCCupboard

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

The MX460 is guaranteed 128 bit, and sometimes comes up for a reasonable price. I got mine for £25 not long ago.

Reply 5 of 7, by Jasin Natael

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

Get a 128bit card, or use the 9550.
Palleted textures and table fog be damned.

There are registry work arounds for the fog anyhow.
A 64bit MX card is crap.

Reply 6 of 7, by RandomStranger

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

Yeah, the 9550 is faster than any Geforce MX given it's 128bit. The 128bit MX440 is also a solid choice for Windows 98. However the 64bit version is awful. The best use case for it if it's bottlenecked by the CPU so much that the anemic bandwidth doesn't matter. Ir in cases like Fallout 2 which is a 2D game locked to something like 11fps.

PS: I have decent memories with the MX200, which is also 64 bit and generally considered crap. It's still an upgrade compared to any 90s graphics card maybe aside of the highest of high end. Cards like this imho have their place, but for a main retro rig, you'll need something with more muscle.

I'd look for a Geforce3 Ti200 or Geforce4 Ti4200. But a 128bit MX440 is a good placeholder until you find one within your budget.

sreq.png retrogamer-s.png

Reply 7 of 7, by douglar

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t
AxeMan wrote on Today, 07:39:

thanks for all the answers so for now I'm sticking to mx 440. I'll keep searching for the 128bit of the mx440, though.

That's probably the best choice, especially if your CPU < 700Mhz.