Hello! How does the Rage 128 Pro differ from the Rage 128? What about the Fury? and Magnum?
Thanks!
Rage3 is the Rage Pro family, Rage6 (later R100) is Radeon.
3D Rage = Rage1 with DirectX 5
Rage II = Rage2 with DirectX 5
Rage Pro = Rage3 with DirectX 6
Rage 128 = Rage4 with DirectX 6
Radeon = Rage6 with DirectX 7
We have zero ATi Rage5 cards
More about first Radeon (Rage6) cards:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1bYGmolzlc
Best ATi Rage3 drivers for 3DCIF / Direct3D / OpenGL / GLUT / DVD : ATi RagePro drivers and software
33+MiniGL / OpenGL Win 9x dll files for all ATi-Rage3 based cards : ATi RagePro OpenGL files
Wes1262 wrote on 2024-07-16, 20:05:There is a Radeon 7200 64 Mb released on Apr 1st, 2000 but I suspect it's a mistake as the 7200 was the entry level card to the R200 line.
But it's possible it was just a rebranded Radeon R100 DDR 64MB, so I guess it's an acceptable mistake.
7200 is based on RV200 not R200. AFAIK RV200 is based on R100 but it's not dumbed down version but the opposite, a small update and a newer process. The R200 got dumbed down to RV250 and RV280 later on. But yeah, the rename of the original Radeon series happened when ATI created the next chip in 2001 and had to either come up with a new name, or start some numbering system. They've picked the latter and created 8500, and the R100 and RV200 chips were renamed to 7200 in the process.
And then there was the 9000 series where things really got confusing...
Wes1262 wrote on 2024-07-16, 20:05:Hello. Is the Rage6 the same as the R100?
Yes, I have a PCI Radeon 7200 SDR that has a Rage 6 sticker on the back - it looks like the Rage 6 naming is limited to early production runs of the Radeon 7200.
Deunan wrote on 2024-07-16, 21:35:7200 is based on RV200 not R200.
False, 7200 is R100.
DEAT wrote on 2024-07-18, 00:15:False, 7200 is R100.
My bad. I confused 7200 and 7500. So all 7200 are the original R100 chip.
I did some reaserch on this a while back and wrote up some notes
Hi, welcome to the mess that was ATIs naming scheme ...just wait till you realise all this goes out the damn door when you include the OEM partner parts that are using refference PCBs but refuse to run with official ATI drivers because the OEM part have slightly different PCI Device IDs.
Early ATi was a bloody mess with naming and part identification.
But that's why we retro buffs love them .. its fun trying to head cannon each card model and which family it belongs to and which drivers it will and wont work with.
Also found this:
https://thandor.net/object/117
https://thandor.net/object/123
https://thandor.net/object/413
Btw, are these cards on thandor actually DDR? I thought DDR chips of the time were a lot thicker, like in the attached pic.
The difference you see is SDRAM vs SGRAM. SGRAM modules are bigger 😀.
The Rage 6 cards you linked to are DDR-SDRAM (RAM part number HY5DV651622). The first link is a card with a Rage 6 sticker and no Radeon logo printed on the back. It has a PCB dated 11th 2000. I guess this is before the name Radeon was known in public 😀. Since it’s such an early card I named it Rage 6. A few of the later models/samples I have are named accordingly to the complex naming scheme 😜. So the second card you linked to named ATi Radeon 64MB DDR Elite since in it’s day it would be called a Radeon 64 DDR and Elite is the ‘subname’ that was probably devised by the engineers at the time who wanted to build a faster version.
thandor.net - hardware
And the rest of us would be carousing the aisles, stuffing baloney.
Hey........ it's you! xD Lmao!
I've bought a 7200 or Radeon DDR, it's dated 2000, at least on the PCB. But I believe the thicker heatsink indicates it's a 7200. The original DDR has the thin one, right?
Memories are 6ns I believe. Hard to say from the pictures (I haven't received it yet).
Can you make sense of the sticker? No mention of 7200. R6 is present though.
Thanks!
Wes1262 wrote on 2024-07-16, 20:05:[...discussing Radeon 7200 cards...]
But it's possible it was just a rebranded Radeon R100 DDR 64MB, so I guess it's an acceptable mistake.
That's indeed the case. I bought a "Radeon SDR" card in September 2001. At some point in time, after a driver update, the name in the Windows 98 device manager changed from "Radeon SDR" to "Radeon 7200 series" or something like that. I think it makes perfect sense to have numbers in all Radeon cards, so to avoid confusion, it made sense to rebrand the "Radeon VE" as "Radeon 7000" and the "Radeon" (no qualification) as "Radeon 7200", placing both cards below the next-generation Radeon 7500.
Wes1262 wrote on 2024-07-18, 14:01:Also found this: https://thandor.net/object/117 https://thandor.net/object/123 https://thandor.net/object/413 Btw, are these car […]
Also found this:
https://thandor.net/object/117
https://thandor.net/object/123
https://thandor.net/object/413
Btw, are these cards on thandor actually DDR? I thought DDR chips of the time were a lot thicker, like in the attached pic.
Were there 3 variants of the Rage 6 / Radeon 7200 with different memory?
DDR
SDR
SGRAM
I have the 32MB SDR version and the 64MB DDR version but that card above looks different and seems to have SGRAM.
byte_76 wrote on 2025-02-04, 08:14:Were there 3 variants of the Rage 6 / Radeon 7200 with different memory? […]
Wes1262 wrote on 2024-07-18, 14:01:Also found this: https://thandor.net/object/117 https://thandor.net/object/123 https://thandor.net/object/413 Btw, are these car […]
Also found this:
https://thandor.net/object/117
https://thandor.net/object/123
https://thandor.net/object/413
Btw, are these cards on thandor actually DDR? I thought DDR chips of the time were a lot thicker, like in the attached pic.Were there 3 variants of the Rage 6 / Radeon 7200 with different memory?
DDR
SDR
SGRAMI have the 32MB SDR version and the 64MB DDR version but that card above looks different and seems to have SGRAM.
There was a MAC version with SGRAM specifically in PCI
Here's as far as I got on cataloging the Rage 6 / Radeon Series. It's tough because this is when the OEM's really started to flood in and ATI was changing names on boards and using the same name for multiple boards / chips. I have not looked at this in a bit.
I'm not exactly clear on the differences between DDR, GDDR, SGR, & DDR SGR
And I just pulled this list out after stopping work on it about 2 years ago, so it's a little rough at the bottom.
OEM |Model |Chip |Cap |Ram |Bus |PCB |PartAsus |Radeon 7000 |R100 |64MB |SGRAM |AGP |A7000-A171 R1.00 |109-A171GN-00ATI |Radeon |R100 |32MB |GDDR |AGP |109-70600-20 |Dell 06C478ATI |Radeon 256 (DDR) |R100 |64MB |GDDR |AGP |109-70700-01 |ATI |Radeon |R100 |32MB |GDDR |AGP |109-73500-21 |Mac ?ATI |Radeon AIW |R100 |32MB |GDDR |AGP |109-73700-20 |ATI |Radeon SDR (7200 PCI|R100 |32MB |SDR |PCI |109-75700-00 |ATI |Radeon |R100 |32MB |GDDR |AGP |109-76200-00 |ATI |Radeon 7200 |R100 |32MB |SDR |AGP |109-76800-00 |ATI |Radeon 7000 (VE) |R100 |32MB |GDDR |AGP |109-78500-00 |ATI |Radeon 7000 (VE) |R100 |32MB |GDDR |AGP |109-81100-01 |DellATI |Radeon 7000 |R100 |32MB |GDDR |AGP |109-81700-00 |ATI |Radeon 7000 |R100 |64MB |SDR |AGP |109-83100-00 |ATI |Radeon 7500 |R100 |64MB |GDDR |AGP |109-83200-01 |ATI |Radeon 7500 |R100 |32MB |GDDR |AGP |109-83400-00 |ATI |Radeon 7200 |R100 |64MB |SDR |AGP |109-83800-00 |ATI |Radeon AIW |R100 |64MB |SGRAM |AGP |109-83900-00 |ATI |Radeon 7000 |R100 |64MB |GDDR |PCI |109-85500-00 |MacATI |Radeon |R100 |64MB |SDR? |PCI |109-85530-10 |SunATI |Radeon 7000 |R100 |64MB |DDR |AGP |109-92400-00 |ATI |Radeon LE (7100) |R100 |64MB |GDDR |AGP |109-REF94-00A |Connect3D |Radeon 7000 VE |R100 | |SDR |AGP |RV6SL v1.1 |Connect3D |Radeon 7000 VE |R100 | |SDR |AGP |8912-950 |C3D 6005Connect3D |Radeon 7000 VE |R100 | |SDR |AGP |8912-920 |C3D 6050Connect3D |Radeon 7000 VE |R100 | |DDR |AGP |8912-920 |C3D 6052Dell |Radeon 7000 |R100 |32MB | |AGP |109-GN924-00A |Diamond |Stealth S60 |R100 |64/32MB|DDR |PCI |35-FC02-D0-00 |1024-2C02-H0-BDDiamond |Stealth S60 |R100 |64/32MB|DDR |AGP |AGP150 RevB |AA-70000-T038Diamond? |Radeon 7000 |R100 | | |AGP |AGP150 RevB |Purple boardDiamond? |Radeon 7000 |R100 | |DDR |PCI |R7000PCI Rev 1.1 |R7000PCI-B3HIS |Radeon 7000 DDR |R100 |64MB |SGRAM |PCI |4R6LE122 |11003-04-20HIS |Radeon 7000 DDR |R100 |64MB |SDR |AGP |4R6LJ322 |PowerColor|Radeon 7000 TVO |R100 | |DDRSGR |AGP |RV6P |PowerColor|Radeon VE |R100 | | |AGP |8912-942 |Sapphire |Radeon 7000 V/D/VO |R100 | |DDR |PCI |35-FC02-D0-00 |1024-9C02-00-SASapphire |Radeon 7000 TVO |R100 | |DDR |AGP | |1024-9C2P-A5-SASapphire |Radeon 7000 VO |R100 | |DDR |AGP | |1024-9118-01-SASapphire |Radeon 7000 TVO |R100 | |DDR |AGP |35-FC28-G0-05 |1024-2C28-A3-SASapphire |Radeon 7000 TVO |R100 | | |AGP |35-F112-G0-06 |1024-9112-06-SASapphire |Radeon 7000 TVO |R100 | | |AGP | |1024-9112-07-SASapphire |Radeon 7000 V/D/VO |R100 | |DDR |AGP | |1024-9141-A2-SASapphire |Radeon 7200 |R100 | | |AGP |35-7132-01-SW |VisionTek |Radeon 7000 |R100 | |DDR |PCI |700064LPGX |VT-R7000MLPT1-83??? |Radeon 7000 |R100 | |DDR |PCI |VVL050608907 |??? |Radeon 7000 |R100 | | |AGP |RV6DL v1.1 |CGA-7032DTVREX |Radeon 7000 |R100 | | |AGP |E162264 |R7000L-64TC V1.0Unitech |Radeon 7000 Ultra |R100 | |DDR |AGP | |Generic |Radeon 7000 |R100 | |DDR |AGP |109-GN924-00A |RV6DE (-B3, -NB3)GeCube |Radeon 7000 |R100 | | |AGP |R7000L Rev 1.3A |GC-7000L-B3Gigabyte |Radeon 7000 |R100 | | |AGP |GV-7064T |Suzuki |Radeon 7000 |R100 | | |AGP |R7000 Rev 1.0A |R7000-B3
Wow, such a confusing mess with different memory types and capacities as well as AGP and PCI variants.
I ordered a 32MB SGRAM variant yesterday so I'm looking forward to comparing the 3 memory types against each other. Although, my DDR card is 64MB so it has a slight advantage.
douglar wrote on 2025-02-05, 01:03:Here's as far as I got on cataloging the Rage 6 / Radeon Series. It's tough because this is when the OEM's really started to fl […]
Here's as far as I got on cataloging the Rage 6 / Radeon Series. It's tough because this is when the OEM's really started to flood in and ATI was changing names on boards and using the same name for multiple boards / chips. I have not looked at this in a bit.
I'm not exactly clear on the differences between DDR, GDDR, SGR, & DDR SGR
And I just pulled this list out after stopping work on it about 2 years ago, so it's a little rough at the bottom.
OEM |Model |Chip |Cap |Ram |Bus |PCB |PartAsus |Radeon 7000 |R100 |64MB |SGRAM |AGP |A7000-A171 R1.00 |109-A171GN-00ATI |Radeon |R100 |32MB |GDDR |AGP |109-70600-20 |Dell 06C478ATI |Radeon 256 (DDR) |R100 |64MB |GDDR |AGP |109-70700-01 |ATI |Radeon |R100 |32MB |GDDR |AGP |109-73500-21 |Mac ?ATI |Radeon AIW |R100 |32MB |GDDR |AGP |109-73700-20 |ATI |Radeon SDR (7200 PCI|R100 |32MB |SDR |PCI |109-75700-00 |ATI |Radeon |R100 |32MB |GDDR |AGP |109-76200-00 |ATI |Radeon 7200 |R100 |32MB |SDR |AGP |109-76800-00 |ATI |Radeon 7000 (VE) |R100 |32MB |GDDR |AGP |109-78500-00 |ATI |Radeon 7000 (VE) |R100 |32MB |GDDR |AGP |109-81100-01 |DellATI |Radeon 7000 |R100 |32MB |GDDR |AGP |109-81700-00 |ATI |Radeon 7000 |R100 |64MB |SDR |AGP |109-83100-00 |ATI |Radeon 7500 |R100 |64MB |GDDR |AGP |109-83200-01 |ATI |Radeon 7500 |R100 |32MB |GDDR |AGP |109-83400-00 |ATI |Radeon 7200 |R100 |64MB |SDR |AGP |109-83800-00 |ATI |Radeon AIW |R100 |64MB |SGRAM |AGP |109-83900-00 |ATI |Radeon 7000 |R100 |64MB |GDDR |PCI |109-85500-00 |MacATI |Radeon |R100 |64MB |SDR? |PCI |109-85530-10 |SunATI |Radeon 7000 |R100 |64MB |DDR |AGP |109-92400-00 |ATI |Radeon LE (7100) |R100 |64MB |GDDR |AGP |109-REF94-00A |Connect3D |Radeon 7000 VE |R100 | |SDR |AGP |RV6SL v1.1 |Connect3D |Radeon 7000 VE |R100 | |SDR |AGP |8912-950 |C3D 6005Connect3D |Radeon 7000 VE |R100 | |SDR |AGP |8912-920 |C3D 6050Connect3D |Radeon 7000 VE |R100 | |DDR |AGP |8912-920 |C3D 6052Dell |Radeon 7000 |R100 |32MB | |AGP |109-GN924-00A |Diamond |Stealth S60 |R100 |64/32MB|DDR |PCI |35-FC02-D0-00 |1024-2C02-H0-BDDiamond |Stealth S60 |R100 |64/32MB|DDR |AGP |AGP150 RevB |AA-70000-T038Diamond? |Radeon 7000 |R100 | | |AGP |AGP150 RevB |Purple boardDiamond? |Radeon 7000 |R100 | |DDR |PCI |R7000PCI Rev 1.1 |R7000PCI-B3HIS |Radeon 7000 DDR |R100 |64MB |SGRAM |PCI |4R6LE122 |11003-04-20HIS |Radeon 7000 DDR |R100 |64MB |SDR |AGP |4R6LJ322 |PowerColor|Radeon 7000 TVO |R100 | |DDRSGR |AGP |RV6P |PowerColor|Radeon VE |R100 | | |AGP |8912-942 |Sapphire |Radeon 7000 V/D/VO |R100 | |DDR |PCI |35-FC02-D0-00 |1024-9C02-00-SASapphire |Radeon 7000 TVO |R100 | |DDR |AGP | |1024-9C2P-A5-SASapphire |Radeon 7000 VO |R100 | |DDR |AGP | |1024-9118-01-SASapphire |Radeon 7000 TVO |R100 | |DDR |AGP |35-FC28-G0-05 |1024-2C28-A3-SASapphire |Radeon 7000 TVO |R100 | | |AGP |35-F112-G0-06 |1024-9112-06-SASapphire |Radeon 7000 TVO |R100 | | |AGP | |1024-9112-07-SASapphire |Radeon 7000 V/D/VO |R100 | |DDR |AGP | |1024-9141-A2-SASapphire |Radeon 7200 |R100 | | |AGP |35-7132-01-SW |VisionTek |Radeon 7000 |R100 | |DDR |PCI |700064LPGX |VT-R7000MLPT1-83??? |Radeon 7000 |R100 | |DDR |PCI |VVL050608907 |??? |Radeon 7000 |R100 | | |AGP |RV6DL v1.1 |CGA-7032DTVREX |Radeon 7000 |R100 | | |AGP |E162264 |R7000L-64TC V1.0Unitech |Radeon 7000 Ultra |R100 | |DDR |AGP | |Generic |Radeon 7000 |R100 | |DDR |AGP |109-GN924-00A |RV6DE (-B3, -NB3)GeCube |Radeon 7000 |R100 | | |AGP |R7000L Rev 1.3A |GC-7000L-B3Gigabyte |Radeon 7000 |R100 | | |AGP |GV-7064T |Suzuki |Radeon 7000 |R100 | | |AGP |R7000 Rev 1.0A |R7000-B3
I've checked just from curiosity first Radeon in table
Asus |Radeon 7000 |R100 |64MB |SGRAM |AGP |A7000-A171 R1.00 |109-A171GN-00
and unfortunately, it has DDR SDRAM. So common DDR1 modules. Not SGRAM. So even first line in table has already mistake. 😀 I doubt they ever made SGRAM Radeon 7000, 🤣. As it was ultra budget card, that was late to catch even Geforce 2 MX. They even didn't try to catch performance with it, it lost with 9 months earlier Geforce 2 MX (Hardware T&L, + double pipeline)
Here's that radeon picture, and here is data sheet for memory chips it has on
https://datasheet4u.com/datasheets/Elixir/N2DS12H16CT/621169
Also, that Radeon (rage 6 , R100) on previous picture most probably doesn't have SGRAM. But DDR too - just in different package. Same that was often used for SGRAM. It's 32-bit DDR memory chip.
Lets take as example this Radeon All-in-Wonder which has same looking memory chips... I doubt they ever attach better memory modules than on overpriced AIO cards. So if this Radeon doesn't have SGRAM, I doubt common Radeon/7200 will have them.
https://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/benchmar … m/77-ati-radeon
The memory chips on it are Samsung k4D62323HA
Datasheets tells us again, that they are normal DDR SDRAM modules with 32-bit data bus.
https://octopart.com/datasheet/samsung/K4D62323HA-QC60
The reason, why they look like SGRAM is, that they are in 100-pin TOFR (Thin Outline Fine-Pitch Rectangular) package.
Here is another example, that "SG32M" on R6 cards (first Radeons) doesn't stand for SGRAM type of memory. And "SD32M" is not automatically SDRAM, although it can be. Maybe it's more like type of package, not type of memory.
I've found another Radeon, this time not All-in-Wonder, but common Radeon R100 DDR, marked on sticker with SG32M, yes, it suggest that SG means SGRAM and SD SDRAM, but it has actually 32-bit DDR SDRAM memory chips in PQFP100 package. So not standard TSOP, but still DDR SDRAM, not DDR SGRAM or SGRAM.
Memory chips are: K4D623237A
https://parts.com-sit.com/part/62355
512K X 32BIT X 4 BANKS DOUBLE DATA RATE SYNCHRONOUS DRAM WITH BI-DIRECTIONAL DATA STROBE AND WITHOUT DLL
DESCRIPTION
DDR DRAM, 2MX32, 5.5ns, CMOS, PQFP100
(although on this radeon is 6ns variant)
Although... maybe on SG32M they can use both... SGRAM or DDR SDRAM , but it needs to be PQFP100 package, not TSOP. (it's only my guess, can we wrong)
So maybe, SG or SD means just package type.
W.x. wrote on 2026-06-11, 13:31:Here is another example, that "SG32M" on R6 cards (first Radeons) doesn't stand for SGRAM type of memory. And "SD32M" is not aut […]
Here is another example, that "SG32M" on R6 cards (first Radeons) doesn't stand for SGRAM type of memory. And "SD32M" is not automatically SDRAM, although it can be. Maybe it's more like type of package, not type of memory.
I've found another Radeon, this time not All-in-Wonder, but common Radeon R100 DDR, marked on sticker with SG32M, yes, it suggest that SG means SGRAM and SD SDRAM, but it has actually 32-bit DDR SDRAM memory chips in PQFP100 package. So not standard TSOP, but still DDR SDRAM, not DDR SGRAM or SGRAM.
Memory chips are: K4D623237A
https://parts.com-sit.com/part/62355512K X 32BIT X 4 BANKS DOUBLE DATA RATE SYNCHRONOUS DRAM WITH BI-DIRECTIONAL DATA STROBE AND WITHOUT DLL
DESCRIPTION
DDR DRAM, 2MX32, 5.5ns, CMOS, PQFP100
(although on this radeon is 6ns variant)Although... maybe on SG32M they can use both... SGRAM or DDR SDRAM , but it needs to be PQFP100 package, not TSOP. (it's only my guess, can we wrong)
So maybe, SG or SD means just package type.
Thanks for the clarifications. I'll try to get those updates done asap.
