Everything went downhill when they closed Rogers and Blockbuster stores. Going to those stores and renting movies or games, and buying used games was the best. Its too bad so many people wont experience that.

Law212 wrote on Today, 15:09:

Everything went downhill when they closed Rogers and Blockbuster stores. Going to those stores and renting movies or games, and buying used games was the best. Its too bad so many people wont experience that.

yea going to blockbuster and renting n64 games like demo derby or quake 1. Whats the different when you rent you didnt own anyway so when you license a game that the companys servers can shutdown and leave you with a disc coaster uh drink coaster. I think we dont own the means of production anymore.

We never owned the means of production. Though with old games you couldnt get locked out when a dev got greedy.
As long as you have the hardware and the game cart you can play until you die, then your kid can play those games too. Modern games not only are mostly bland and terrible these days, but will your kid be able to play his favourite 2026 game 30 years from now? Probably not.

Law212 wrote on Today, 15:51:

We never owned the means of production. Though with old games you couldnt get locked out when a dev got greedy.
As long as you have the hardware and the game cart you can play until you die, then your kid can play those games too. Modern games not only are mostly bland and terrible these days, but will your kid be able to play his favourite 2026 game 30 years from now? Probably not.

hehe a remaster of a remaster of a remaster in 2060. of course not but then again will people still work on quake source ports or porting doom to new things? maybe not even if the code is free for all

twiz11 wrote on Today, 15:59:

Law212 wrote on Today, 15:51:

We never owned the means of production. Though with old games you couldnt get locked out when a dev got greedy.
As long as you have the hardware and the game cart you can play until you die, then your kid can play those games too. Modern games not only are mostly bland and terrible these days, but will your kid be able to play his favourite 2026 game 30 years from now? Probably not.

hehe a remaster of a remaster of a remaster in 2060. of course not but then again will people still work on quake source ports or porting doom to new things? maybe not even if the code is free for all

Well Doom is eternal.

Law212 wrote on Today, 16:01:

twiz11 wrote on Today, 15:59:

Law212 wrote on Today, 15:51:

We never owned the means of production. Though with old games you couldnt get locked out when a dev got greedy.
As long as you have the hardware and the game cart you can play until you die, then your kid can play those games too. Modern games not only are mostly bland and terrible these days, but will your kid be able to play his favourite 2026 game 30 years from now? Probably not.

hehe a remaster of a remaster of a remaster in 2060. of course not but then again will people still work on quake source ports or porting doom to new things? maybe not even if the code is free for all

Well Doom is eternal.

thanks to carmack freedoom is eternal

Law212 wrote on Today, 15:51:

We never owned the means of production. Though with old games you couldnt get locked out when a dev got greedy.
As long as you have the hardware and the game cart you can play until you die, then your kid can play those games too. Modern games not only are mostly bland and terrible these days, but will your kid be able to play his favourite 2026 game 30 years from now? Probably not.

of course physical media offline is very static, and i guess the world wants hyperinterative dynamic content that they cant get from offline physical media. i mean if you play halo 1 many times it wont change so you look to the internet for mods and stuff. Plus what about lets plays and the video is there so you can imagine the experience but all games invove pushing buttons moving pawns and hand gestures. Im boiling down games to their parts. Theres no way to preserve the experience of what it was like day one anymore.

twiz11 wrote on Today, 16:05:

Law212 wrote on Today, 15:51:

We never owned the means of production. Though with old games you couldnt get locked out when a dev got greedy.
As long as you have the hardware and the game cart you can play until you die, then your kid can play those games too. Modern games not only are mostly bland and terrible these days, but will your kid be able to play his favourite 2026 game 30 years from now? Probably not.

of course physical media offline is very static, and i guess the world wants hyperinterative dynamic content that they cant get from offline physical media. i mean if you play halo 1 many times it wont change so you look to the internet for mods and stuff. Plus what about lets plays and the video is there so you can imagine the experience but all games invove pushing buttons moving pawns and hand gestures. Im boiling down games to their parts. Theres no way to preserve the experience of what it was like day one anymore.

Not really "let's plays" in the common sense, but in the 90s some PC game magazines had video reviews on their cover CDs.
This dates back to at least 1994, I think. Video files were stored in either *.avi, *.mov or *.mpg.
Just saying, because I basically grew up with multimedia/shareware CDs before the internet became so mandatory.

bitzu101 wrote on Yesterday, 14:57:

Shponglefan wrote on Yesterday, 14:52:

bitzu101 wrote on Yesterday, 14:48:

How on earth do you put a 150 gb game on dvd's?

It worked fine when games were like 500mb to 10 12 gb.... but 150gb...?

Bluray disks can store in excess of 100 gb.

Freaking aye... did not even know them things existed. Thought there were no more blu ray players/disks for years now....

i also thought that both xbox and ps5 have done away with the optical drives...

Petabit glass dvd like disks exist in a lab.

Portable Physical media started getting less and less investment as dvd released.
AKA if proper investment had continued we likely would have had 200tb physical media 10 years ago, but already before that manufacturers were skimping on the creation of increasingly more massive consumer non-writable media

Sony and Panasonic controlled the optical media industry with an Iron Fist, in a Velvet Glove. There were innovations coming out of smaller players, but the Dynamic Duo veto'd or stifled all of them, to protect their own investments and patent royalties. Now, the industry is all but dead and exists in name only, with the majority of recordable discs coming out of Chinese replication factories and offering nothing special, while drives are getting rarer by the year.

twiz11 wrote on Today, 15:25:

Law212 wrote on Today, 15:09:

Everything went downhill when they closed Rogers and Blockbuster stores. Going to those stores and renting movies or games, and buying used games was the best. Its too bad so many people wont experience that.

yea going to blockbuster and renting n64 games like demo derby or quake 1. Whats the different when you rent you didnt own anyway so when you license a game that the companys servers can shutdown and leave you with a disc coaster uh drink coaster. I think we dont own the means of production anymore.

think the issue is slightly bigger than that.

the problem is mainly with the optical drive. yes , u can get triple layer blu ray , etc , but the actual storage is and will not be enough for the future. also , optical disks scratch , and become unusable.

flash disks may be a solution , maybe make READ ONLY usb flash drives. u get better storage , terrabytes if needed , they are much faster than optical diks... dunno how long they last unpowered...