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First post, by RandomStranger

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I see there were a couple attempts at starting movie discussions that didn't last long so here is my attempt at not failing. Instead of limiting discussion to a specific topic that dries out quick, just throw in anything you find interesting or want to share. Collectibles, physical media, soundtracks, film experiences, controversial opinions on classics, whatever you have on your mind.

As a starter, I finally picked up a 1:24 scale Greenlight Last of the V8 interceptors.

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I've been on the lookout for one for some time to have on my movie shelf to stand by the Blu Ray box set of the 3 classics. A bit bigger than expected so it'll just about fit with the display case. Seeing it the 1:48 scale variant would be too small. One of the most iconic car in cinema history. For some reason it's unobtainable in my country. Hd to order from Italy. The UK would have been cheaper, but since they Brexited there are additional import costs.

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Now I got in the mood of re-watching the movies. And play Fallout 2.

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Reply 1 of 15, by newtmonkey

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Such a cool car, and I really like all three movies in the classic trilogy, though I especially like Mad Max! I've watched that several times, and like it even more with each viewing. I really like how it takes place in a setting that's basically a step beyond what the world actually is now but not yet the total nightmare world of The Road Warrior.

When I was much younger, I though The Road Warrior was a much cooler, exciting movie... but now I definitely prefer Mad Max. People seem to live somewhat normal lives, there's still a police force (that's become a hyper-violent group of vigilantes out of desperation), and there's even a "functioning" legal system.

Instead of being a post-apocalypse movie, it's a story about the apocalypse that's about to happen. It's got some amazing action and stunts; but what I always find intriguing when I rewatch the movie is how powerfully it depicts a society that is falling apart but trying to hold itself together.

Reply 2 of 15, by RandomStranger

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The only one I have issues with is the third one. I remember the first two mostly left to the watcher how the world went to shit and the third gave a definitive answer I didn't need. It's also very different in tone to the first two.

As for a vaguely similar movie to the first one, is Soylent Green. I think it takes place in 2023. I know I watched it in the year it takes place. In the 70's people really liked movies about the world going to shit because of resource exhaustion and/or overpopulation. Logan's Run was another one of those kind of movies.

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Reply 3 of 15, by rmay635703

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appiah4 wrote on 2026-08-27, 08:01:
rmay635703 wrote on 2026-08-26, 17:36:
Political and moralist messaging isn’t the issue. […]
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Trashbytes wrote on 2026-08-26, 11:47:

LOTR was trash too but it was enjoyable trash, the Hobbit is best left forgotten in the archive of movies that should have never been filmed along with the Odyssey and Titanic.
As for the political messaging .. I don't need Hollywood doing that in Movies, I go to see a movie to have fun not be lectured to by the Elites of Hollywood on topics they have zero place talking about. Its like being told how to spend my money by the super rich ..the utter arrogance.

This is all off topic and runs the risk of getting the thread locked .. which is likely for the best.

Political and moralist messaging isn’t the issue.

It’s poor writing that you notice.

Old long form movies (those made before 1970, excluding shorts) actually had much more political and unidirectional moralistic messaging in them woven into the plot. (There are long hair philosophical assessments of most every early to 1970 film that spell out the politics of each one)
Anyone who says Grapes of Wrath or even some of the Elvis fluff films lack it are just ignorant of “other” ways of messaging for or against a scene, a type of person or social issues.

Most old movies are preaching or making fun of social issues but you didn’t notice or care because the characters and events demonstrate the issue in practice as opposed to a literal direct restatement of their stance.
Some very popular old films had some extremely controversial , offensive subtext but casual viewers didn’t notice and those that did had thicker skin as it’s just fantasy.

As an aside many modern films you likely take issue with are likely ones I haven’t watched and won’t watch until years later if a dvd releases.
When I watch them I likely won’t care about their messaging but I will care about poorly integrated plot, poor acting (many times as a result of disrespecting the audiences intelligence by trying to just have the character make statements as opposed to being tactful plot and narrative driven),
characters that exist to gain focus, but have nothing to do and lack any relevance to the plot, feeling glued in, which is disrespectful to the actor and the character is my main gripe these days.
The it’s there and happening because I say so is overused ad nauseum.

But that’s just par for the course now, old movies had to actually have a cohesive plot, thick dense subtext, set pieces and competent character growth similar to a novel because they had nothing else to fall on, modern movies have stuff flying around and happening for the visuals then try to make a plot and character lines that fit into the nonsense they want to show.

In my mind this has a lot to do with heavy corporate influence on film bending to the strange things that appeal to Chinese audiences alongside the extreme capitalist corporate accelerated timelines that have to push out a steady stream of slop making up losses in foreign markets.

Believe it or not the downfall of daytime soaps and theater can be directly traced to a reduced pool of competent actors. The issue was so bad that new soaps and theater productions have recently been created as loss leaders to act as a training ground for new talent.
Your extras on set can no longer be counted on as being fully trained actors, which oddly years ago there was a surplus.

Without low budget fluff to throw concepts at a wall, the amount of truly interesting cinema is going to continue to decline with simplistic, poorly executed plots becoming the norm. While dense thought provoking somewhat hidden narratives will become rare.

Even if I don’t always agree with RLM , they are pretty spot on with a lot of their commentary.

The ancient mechanical story board technique of fill in the blank for each character one would use in highschool would go a long mile to improving “the random stuff happens” movies we get now.

That said, if you don’t like something don’t watch it, if other people like it, that’s fine.
Worth noting the Odyssey has been done as nauseum over the years, making it into a new thing is inevitable and it ain’t history either so it’s no sacred cow. In 5 years when I watch it I will express my true opinion.

I personally have enjoyed a few really blatant poorly scripted modern films but perhaps for the wrong reasons.
He-man comes to mind, even though it was very competently executed ,
even if some of the cast were visually disgusted by the source material and the ending was a screw you to the audience
unfortunate they will probably never release the silly “ if an alien watched the She-ra and made it into a movie” , movie because Gen Alpha isn’t interested in He-man.
The way they handled it was good enough and honestly that’s all we can expect most of the time.

I mean, there are some things here I can get behind but, particularly in the context of Oddyssey, the "poor writing is the issue" argument is outright wrong.

I’ve never seen the Odyssey, and it will be years before I do.
My expectation is that if I dislike it , it won’t be the messaging, is my point. (You never know if it’s fun I might like it)
My feeling also is if he made a purist version the author agreed with, it would probably be a pretty miserable experience, look at what happened when Lucas was set loose on the prequels without folks preventing him from implementing his full vision . Not the worst film but definitely some good lord going on.

Anyway, I was just listing general trends, like the extra characters that seem to get tacked into every scene with nothing to do. (Looking at certain New Trek iterations)

At least with other Media like JoJo speed wagon had something to say.

Reply 4 of 15, by SiBurning

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I have a hotwheels 1:18 scale 1966 batmobile. The box is sitting between the Casablanca bluray special edition box and the Coffin Joe DVD coffin shaped box.

For one of my college literature classes I took Greek Mythology. One day we were talking about tv & film and she said she cringes watching any of them, but she thought Kevin Sorbo was cute. We read translations of The Iliad & Odyssey (and other stuff) and I feel her pain. There's plenty that I like, such as Clash of the Titans (1981) with Ray Harryhausen's animation, who also animated Jason and the Argonauts (1963). There's more... and more, since I just now ordered Ulysses (1954), Antigone (1961), Electra (1962), Medea (1969), The Trojan Women (1971). The stories of Electra & Medea were among my favorites, and they're not so epic to end up horrible on film. I hope.

There's a quote above about old films. Without offering an opinion, the largest part of my collecttion is from the 1960s and 1970s. I miss all the mystery series from the 1930s and 1940s, but that went out when TV arrived. Trying to revive the series concept in theaters has lead to some very bad films, Max Max being somewhat mixed on that count depending who you ask. It's been mostly crap for decades. But that's always been the case, even if most people don't notice because only the good films are remembered. My favorite film of the 21st Century is a Canadian horror film by the Soska sisters, American Mary (2012). While we're on horror films, IMHO the hands-down best ever horror film is Gojira (1954). It's so beautifully paced, especially the part where the family sits down for a quiet tea and off in the distance you begin to hear faint footfalls, slowly growing louder, until Gojira's thundering footfalls explode into the chaotic destruction of Tokyo. I like to think it's so great because noone told Ishirō Honda that horror films are supposed to be B-movies. And it's a classic case of how remakes are usually terrible. Godzilla, King of the Monsters! (1956) is a disaster, apart from the actual disaster of the destruction of Tokyo--I could swear Gojira was heading to theaters to Destroy All Monsters copies.

Reply 5 of 15, by Cyberdyne

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More of a Lethal Weapon guy. 😏

I am aroused about any X86 motherboard that has full functional ISA slot. I think i have problem. Not really into that original (Turbo) XT,286,386 and CGA/EGA stuff. So just a DOS nut.
PS. If I upload RAR, it is a 16-bit DOS RAR Version 2.50.

Reply 6 of 15, by appiah4

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rmay635703 wrote on 2026-08-27, 15:06:
I’ve never seen the Odyssey, and it will be years before I do. My expectation is that if I dislike it , it won’t be the messagin […]
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appiah4 wrote on 2026-08-27, 08:01:
rmay635703 wrote on 2026-08-26, 17:36:
Political and moralist messaging isn’t the issue. […]
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Political and moralist messaging isn’t the issue.

It’s poor writing that you notice.

Old long form movies (those made before 1970, excluding shorts) actually had much more political and unidirectional moralistic messaging in them woven into the plot. (There are long hair philosophical assessments of most every early to 1970 film that spell out the politics of each one)
Anyone who says Grapes of Wrath or even some of the Elvis fluff films lack it are just ignorant of “other” ways of messaging for or against a scene, a type of person or social issues.

Most old movies are preaching or making fun of social issues but you didn’t notice or care because the characters and events demonstrate the issue in practice as opposed to a literal direct restatement of their stance.
Some very popular old films had some extremely controversial , offensive subtext but casual viewers didn’t notice and those that did had thicker skin as it’s just fantasy.

As an aside many modern films you likely take issue with are likely ones I haven’t watched and won’t watch until years later if a dvd releases.
When I watch them I likely won’t care about their messaging but I will care about poorly integrated plot, poor acting (many times as a result of disrespecting the audiences intelligence by trying to just have the character make statements as opposed to being tactful plot and narrative driven),
characters that exist to gain focus, but have nothing to do and lack any relevance to the plot, feeling glued in, which is disrespectful to the actor and the character is my main gripe these days.
The it’s there and happening because I say so is overused ad nauseum.

But that’s just par for the course now, old movies had to actually have a cohesive plot, thick dense subtext, set pieces and competent character growth similar to a novel because they had nothing else to fall on, modern movies have stuff flying around and happening for the visuals then try to make a plot and character lines that fit into the nonsense they want to show.

In my mind this has a lot to do with heavy corporate influence on film bending to the strange things that appeal to Chinese audiences alongside the extreme capitalist corporate accelerated timelines that have to push out a steady stream of slop making up losses in foreign markets.

Believe it or not the downfall of daytime soaps and theater can be directly traced to a reduced pool of competent actors. The issue was so bad that new soaps and theater productions have recently been created as loss leaders to act as a training ground for new talent.
Your extras on set can no longer be counted on as being fully trained actors, which oddly years ago there was a surplus.

Without low budget fluff to throw concepts at a wall, the amount of truly interesting cinema is going to continue to decline with simplistic, poorly executed plots becoming the norm. While dense thought provoking somewhat hidden narratives will become rare.

Even if I don’t always agree with RLM , they are pretty spot on with a lot of their commentary.

The ancient mechanical story board technique of fill in the blank for each character one would use in highschool would go a long mile to improving “the random stuff happens” movies we get now.

That said, if you don’t like something don’t watch it, if other people like it, that’s fine.
Worth noting the Odyssey has been done as nauseum over the years, making it into a new thing is inevitable and it ain’t history either so it’s no sacred cow. In 5 years when I watch it I will express my true opinion.

I personally have enjoyed a few really blatant poorly scripted modern films but perhaps for the wrong reasons.
He-man comes to mind, even though it was very competently executed ,
even if some of the cast were visually disgusted by the source material and the ending was a screw you to the audience
unfortunate they will probably never release the silly “ if an alien watched the She-ra and made it into a movie” , movie because Gen Alpha isn’t interested in He-man.
The way they handled it was good enough and honestly that’s all we can expect most of the time.

I mean, there are some things here I can get behind but, particularly in the context of Oddyssey, the "poor writing is the issue" argument is outright wrong.

I’ve never seen the Odyssey, and it will be years before I do.
My expectation is that if I dislike it , it won’t be the messaging, is my point. (You never know if it’s fun I might like it)
My feeling also is if he made a purist version the author agreed with, it would probably be a pretty miserable experience, look at what happened when Lucas was set loose on the prequels without folks preventing him from implementing his full vision . Not the worst film but definitely some good lord going on.

Anyway, I was just listing general trends, like the extra characters that seem to get tacked into every scene with nothing to do. (Looking at certain New Trek iterations)

At least with other Media like JoJo speed wagon had something to say.

Yeah ok, I definitely agree with all that. 😀

Reply 7 of 15, by Intel486dx33

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I think I have gone about as close to full circle on Hollywood movies as I want to go.
I prefer feel good happy movies.

I like movies about the 1920s and 30s in USA.
Also Danny Kaye, Danny Thomas, Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly,
etc….

I grew up in the 1960s and 70s.
Allot of the products were made of wood or had a wood grain finish
I loved watching the old black and white movies
On our wood console color TV with stereo speakers.
I remember it had picture tube and tube fuses.
Easy to fix and repair.
You could go to the local store and buy replacement tubes to fix it for cheap

Today I have a modern BIG screen tv, dolby atmos surround sound, AppleTV 4k , Blu-ray player
Klipsch speakers, AVR, etc….
4k movies are great but I still like the innocence of old movies with no cgi or special effects.

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Reply 8 of 15, by ratfink

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I've been into low budget horror lately, watched the entire (Amazon) catalogue of director Charlie Steeds. Unpretentitious fun. Started with his name coming up on some Lovecraftian horror (Freeze, Gods of the Deep) and then progressed from there.

Reply 9 of 15, by Intel486dx33

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This was my first attempt at home theater entertainment center
Back around 2003
Kenwood 5.1 surround sound with 32” color TV.
DVD player and VHS tapes.
Block buster movie rental store was my Friday night hang out after work

Today I just check out FREE Blu-ray movies at the local library.

I have not been to the local movie theater in years.
Maybe 15 years.

I just watch movies at home.

Reply 10 of 15, by ratfink

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Just watched For A Few Dollars More, always loved that film, big Sergio Leone/Ennio Morricone/Lee Van Cleef fan. Had forgotten Klaus Kinski was in it...

And before that, Silent Planet, interesting Sci-Fi set on a distant prison planet.

RandomStranger wrote on 2026-08-26, 19:08:

The only one I have issues with is the third one. I remember the first two mostly left to the watcher how the world went to shit and the third gave a definitive answer I didn't need. It's also very different in tone to the first two.

As for a vaguely similar movie to the first one, is Soylent Green. I think it takes place in 2023. I know I watched it in the year it takes place. In the 70's people really liked movies about the world going to shit because of resource exhaustion and/or overpopulation. Logan's Run was another one of those kind of movies.

Yeah there are so many films like that from the era, maybe also from the 1960s. I watched Soylent Green a couple of years back, finally after hearing about it around 1980 when I was reading the Limits To Growth report... that film still seems somewhat prophetic today with all these adverts about booking your own cremation, assisted dying bills and the general angst in the world. And I caught some Doomwatch the other day (for some reason my parents always acted like it was some kind of horror so I never saw it at the time) - a lot of that was about environmental disasters and the like too.

Reply 11 of 15, by RandomStranger

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This weekend a week long cinema festival starts in my town. It's usually mostly relatively recent and brand new art house stuff. This time there are a surprising amount of WW2 movies. Also some old movies like Runaway (1984) and Robocop (1987). I've never heard of the former, but I'm seriously contemplating watching Robocop in cinema (thought the best seats are already sold). I've liked that movie ever since I was a kid. There are a lot of 80s movies I'd love to see in cinema. Maybe they'll do it again next year. The time I started going to cinema was when The Fellowship of the Ring released. That was one of the first movies I've seen on the silver screen. I'll watch one or two of the war movies too, but this year I couldn't find anything among the art house stuff that grabbed my attention.

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Reply 12 of 15, by Intel486dx33

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Friday night is movie night.
I just walk to the local library and check out a Blu-ray movie.
They usually have the latest movies.
Make a 50-cent bag of popcorn and that all I pay to watch the latest movies at home.

Reply 13 of 15, by UCyborg

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I recently watched Rambo: Last Blood.

Arthur Schopenhauer wrote:

A man can be himself only so long as he is alone; and if he does not love solitude, he will not love freedom; for it is only when he is alone that he is really free.

Reply 14 of 15, by RandomStranger

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Yesterday I went to watch Battle of Oslo on the cinema festival.

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As a guest the screen writer of the movie was invited and we had a little Q&A after the movie.
Good movie, it has my seal of approval, if it means anything.

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Reply 15 of 15, by Intel486dx33

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Have you guys checked out the “hoopla app”
Its FREE
Stream free movies from libraries.