Reply 38120 of 52822, by Ozzuneoj
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W.x. wrote on 2021-02-18, 16:36:Yep, never saw such before, probably because Im still searching for GF2MX vanilla more than half year, noone has answered on my […]
Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-18, 15:50:Maybe I'm missing something. I just searched that entire article for "heatsink" and only managed to find references to adding a […]
Maybe I'm missing something. I just searched that entire article for "heatsink" and only managed to find references to adding a fan to an existing heatsink and RAM-heatsinks for overclocking.
I would never dispute that more cooling is needed for overclocking of almost any chip.
However, to say that all GF2 MX cards came with heatsinks unless they were modified, is just not true. Not all MX cards were intended for overclocking. They were incredibly common in prebuilt systems, and the OEM cards used often had no heatsinks. I wouldn't expect big overclocks from these... core or memory. But I was never even talking about that, so... 😮
I just checked my "Big Box O' MX cards" and found these. Keep in mind, I don't have MX200 cards in this box... these are all Geforce 2MX (vanilla).
20210218_105441.jpgWe have here two low profile nvidia-branded P180-0039 cards (labeled for Dell and IBM... they're identical to the one from the Dell I was posting about!), one MSI MS-8835 (built for Dell) and one Creative card (built for Compaq). All the most common names in the OEM add-in-card business from the time. No heatsinks at all. Also notice how the PCBs aren't discolored from heat. The cards work 100% fine without heatsinks and get nowhere near as hot as something like a Voodoo 3 (which burns and discolors the PCB over time, even with a heatsink... and yet some of THOSE were sold without them).
Anyway, my only reason for posting this is to clarify that the card in the Dell system posted earlier was not modified, and that those cards are extremely common, and are perfectly good cards as-is.
Yep, never saw such before, probably because Im still searching for GF2MX vanilla more than half year, noone has answered on my want ad. I alraedy have MX200 and 400 versions, but searching for vanilla too. So, you are tempting me with that screenshot of vanilla MX's . 😀
Would not probably had OEM version of this card before. All big companies, names, and I saw like at least hundreds of MX, MX200, MX400, all had heatsink on them. But it's true, none of them was OEM.
Thank you, for showing me non-heatsink versions. As far as i know, common cards sold in Box for customers as GF2 MX alone, always had heatsink. I saw so many pictures, of all various MX, from Asus to no-name, and all had heatsinks. Good to know, some OEM didnt have. Would probably sold worse, when would be sold in box this way. Because graphic card with heatsink looked more "cool" (not temperature-wise), and from Geforce2, in 2000 and 2001, everyone expected good results, so thats why probably they always included heatsink in boxed version. Anyway, it's 4W card, true, it can work probably without heatsink. But to be honest, as customer, I would for sure WANT to have heatsink on it, if you ask me. I would probably put heatsink, If I've got in some box this kind of GF2MX, I would really thought previous user took it away, cause I saw this kind of behavior lots of time, selling cards without heatsinks, although originaly they were put on.
To be less offtopic, I've just got these, it's my first 486 board, finally after half year, I've manage to get decent deal for 36$. It's asus pvi-486sp3 rev1.21 and AM5x86-x5-133adw https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/am5x86/amd-x5-133adw
Today, I've tested it, and it seems ok. Booted into BIOS.
You're correct that boxed cards were probably always equipped with heatsinks. They had to actually compete on some level with each other, so having less effective cooling would have certainly made one card less desirable. Also, we have to remember that the original 2MX (vanilla) was a mid range card, not an entry level card (TNT2 M64 was probably still the most common entry level card until the MX200 came out). The premium price of buying a decently capable gaming card was likely worth the few cents it cost to have it equipped with a heatsink. For OEM cards, it didn't matter, because the customer couldn't even know what the card looked like until they owned the system... and few people bought Dell or Compaq systems off the shelf if they were intending to overclock.
Also, very nice board+CPU you found there! And a nice price! 😁
Today I got my Salient AT3000 in the mail! It came shipped in a re-used box that says "CalComp - A Lockheed Company" on it... which is pretty nifty, if totally unrelated to this card. I'm happy to report that it does function. I threw it in a 440BX system and it booted right up. The BIOS display shows that it is a 1MB card (the Falcon64 portion anyway). In Windows 98SE it was detected as a non-PNP ET4000, which I found kind of hilarious. The drivers are installed but I get the message that the display driver isn't installed properly, and I can't set anything above 640x480x4. It also detects an unknown device... presumably the TIGA chip or the mysterious Xylinx FPGA chips. Next I will see if installing a generic Daytona64 driver will work.
Would love to find a proper Salient driver set for this thing!
Now for some blitting from the back buffer.