Kahenraz wrote on 2024-09-08, 23:26:

kingcake wrote on 2024-09-08, 18:50:

The IRQ of the Audigy itself is irrelevant. PCI devices use virtual IRQs and can share them. PCI devices don't have IRQ conflicts.

That's not entirely true. Both the BIOS and the operating system must support and ACPI and implement PCI IRQ steering. It's also possible to encounter a scenario where the BIOS supports ACPI but does not expose IRQ steering tables that the operating system supports, as was my experience with an nForce chipset on Windows 98.

Windows 98 installation on nForce 430 hanging during detection of plug and play devices

You shouldn't use non compliant hardware.

Either way, it doesn't matter. The IRQ of the Audigy itself is not the issue. It's the SB16 emulation IRQ, which is different.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2024-09-07, 19:48:

Try moving the Audigy to a different PCI slot and see if that helps.

kingcake wrote on 2024-09-08, 18:50:

The IRQ of the Audigy itself is irrelevant. PCI devices use virtual IRQs and can share them. PCI devices don't have IRQ conflicts. You mentioned your SB Emulation is on IRQ7, that's where the problem is. You need to tell your BIOS IRQ7 is reserved for ISA.

Guys, unfortunately I believe it wasn't conflict with the usb ports. Regardless of the configuration, the error continues. By reserving the IRQ5, the SB16 is installed on it with the tutorial settings( I/O ports 220, 330 and 388, IRQ 5, DMA 1 and DMA 5). I changed the Audigy PCI slot, put it in IRQ10 and IRQ11 and it also had no effect. I don't know what else to do.

(Sorry, my Windows 98SE is in Portuguese)

Anything to set up in the ctsyn file?

Thanks!

I was forgetting. These are the settings in the BIOS. Should I enable or disable something?
IRQ5 is reserved for the SB16 Emulation and IRQ11 was reserved for the Audigy board to be installed in the IRQ10, which made no difference. Thanks again.

I've had success with the SB16 emulation driver by enabling LPT port on 378 and normal mode in BIOS. Then, the Audigy driver will share IRQ 7.

b0izera wrote on 2024-09-09, 01:28:

I was forgetting. These are the settings in the BIOS. Should I enable or disable something?
IRQ5 is reserved for the SB16 Emulation and IRQ11 was reserved for the Audigy board to be installed in the IRQ10, which made no difference. Thanks again.

Set "Plug and Play OS" to "Yes" in the BIOS and see if it makes a difference. Otherwise, I'm out of ideas.

Could be some kind of hardware incompatibility with the motherboard and/or its on-board sound card, or you might have an OEM version of the Audigy 2 ZS. Sometimes, despite the best of efforts, certain hardware combinations just don't work.

Stretch wrote on 2024-09-09, 02:16:

I've had success with the SB16 emulation driver by enabling LPT port on 378 and normal mode in BIOS. Then, the Audigy driver will share IRQ 7.

I can try that too. I have the option to set IRQ5 and 7 for the LPT port, which one do I select?

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2024-09-09, 02:41:

Set "Plug and Play OS" to "Yes" in the BIOS and see if it makes a difference. Otherwise, I'm out of ideas.

Could be some kind of hardware incompatibility with the motherboard and/or its on-board sound card, or you might have an OEM version of the Audigy 2 ZS. Sometimes, despite the best of efforts, certain hardware combinations just don't work.

I will try. If it doesn't work, I'll swap the K8V-SE for the K8V-MX.

b0izera wrote on 2024-09-09, 03:19:

I will try. If it doesn't work, I'll swap the K8V-SE for the K8V-MX.

I'm using a K8V-MX in one of my own builds, so I can confirm that board does work with an Audigy 2 ZS and the drivers from this guide.

However, before swapping the motherboard, can you double check that you don't have an OEM card? As described at the start of the guide, OEM cards have those white stickers on the back with SB0358 (Dell) or SB0359 (HP) in their serial number. Such OEM cards can behave differently from Creative's retail models and may need special drivers, which might make them incompatible with this guide.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2024-09-09, 03:26:

I'm using a K8V-MX in one of my own builds, so I can confirm that board does work with an Audigy 2 ZS and the drivers from this guide.

However, before swapping the motherboard, can you double check that you don't have an OEM card? As described at the start of the guide, OEM cards have those white stickers on the back with SB0358 (Dell) or SB0359 (HP) in their serial number. Such OEM cards can behave differently from Creative's retail models and may need special drivers, which might make them incompatible with this guide.

My Audigy 2 ZS is this one:

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b0izera wrote on 2024-09-09, 03:54:

My Audigy 2 ZS is this one:

The photo of the back side is not very clear, but from what I can tell, that looks like a retail card which should work fine with this guide.

When you get a chance, take a better photo with the entire back side of the card fully visible, just in case.

b0izera wrote on 2024-09-09, 03:19:

I can try that too. I have the option to set IRQ5 and 7 for the LPT port, which one do I select? […]
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Stretch wrote on 2024-09-09, 02:16:

I've had success with the SB16 emulation driver by enabling LPT port on 378 and normal mode in BIOS. Then, the Audigy driver will share IRQ 7.

I can try that too. I have the option to set IRQ5 and 7 for the LPT port, which one do I select?

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2024-09-09, 02:41:

Set "Plug and Play OS" to "Yes" in the BIOS and see if it makes a difference. Otherwise, I'm out of ideas.

Could be some kind of hardware incompatibility with the motherboard and/or its on-board sound card, or you might have an OEM version of the Audigy 2 ZS. Sometimes, despite the best of efforts, certain hardware combinations just don't work.

I will try. If it doesn't work, I'll swap the K8V-SE for the K8V-MX.

IRQ 7

I replaced a dead SBLive with an Audigy 2 ZS, followed your guide, spent 2 hours losing my mind why I couldn't hear MIDI from DOS games until I noticed somehow the MIDI Channel had gotten muted in creative mixer without my noticing 🤣

thanks for the guide, using soundfonts with DOS games in 98 is my favorite feature of these cards

Queen K Juul wrote on 2024-09-16, 06:54:

I replaced a dead SBLive with an Audigy 2 ZS, followed your guide, spent 2 hours losing my mind why I couldn't hear MIDI from DOS games until I noticed somehow the MIDI Channel had gotten muted in creative mixer without my noticing 🤣

Heh, something similar happened to me once as well. Sometimes, Creative's mixer settings seem to have a mind of their own! 😁

thanks for the guide, using soundfonts with DOS games in 98 is my favorite feature of these cards

Cheers! Trying different soundfonts to see how they sound in certain games can be quite interesting. Have fun!

The guide doesn't work for me. Specifically the installation breaks down around step 3.5. I reboot after running the driver installation, Win98SE detects the Audigy card and installs drivers, reboots again, then after coming up once more the card does show up in hardware manager but with a yellow mark saying it has a hardware conflict. Looking at the resource tab, it's set as configuration 0, using IRQ0 (WTF} and I/O 4000-4003. It's the only configuration available, and you cannot manually change the settings.
I tried using various PCI slots and get the exact same result.
The card is a SB0350 (Audigy 2 ZS) on an Intel D815EEA2 https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/intel- … 15eea2-easton-2 using a P3-1000, 256MB RAM and a Radeon 9200 card. There is no other PCI hardware in the system. I have disabled in BIOS as much as I could of the integrated peripherals - except for COM1, which cannot be disabled on this motherboard. There are enough resources free, in particular IRQ5 and 7 are free.
The card of course doesn't work with these settings and I cannot continue with the further steps.

stamasd wrote on 2024-09-24, 12:20:

The guide doesn't work for me. Specifically the installation breaks down around step 3.5. I reboot after running the driver installation, Win98SE detects the Audigy card and installs drivers, reboots again, then after coming up once more the card does show up in hardware manager but with a yellow mark saying it has a hardware conflict. Looking at the resource tab, it's set as configuration 0, using IRQ0 (WTF} and I/O 4000-4003. It's the only configuration available, and you cannot manually change the settings.

Very strange, especially since there seem to be plenty of resources free.

Does that Audigy 2 ZS work correctly in some other system? Judging by those odd values, it might possibly be a hardware error of some sort. Alternatively, try installing WinXP on that PC and see if the card works under that OS using the stock driver CD.

Yeah it works fine in other systems.
It's a retail card too based on the label on the back.

(edit) I did manage to make it work eventually by shuffling it again and again in various PCI slots. It works in one of the PCI slots only (slot 4)
Installing the DOS emulation has led to the error mentioned that should occur only for SB0240 cards. I did what was mentioned to get over the error in steps 5.7-5.9 and the DOS emulation installed, but not the gameport and joystick emulation. I tried to install those manually, but only the joystick emulation installed, not the gameport. The card seems to work in Windows now, haven't tested in DOS yet. It has picked IRQ5 for the Audigy and IRQ7 for the DOS emulation. I cannot change the Audigy's IRQ manually.

stamasd wrote on 2024-09-24, 13:21:

Yeah it works fine in other systems.
It's a retail card too based on the label on the back.

Actually, it might be a Dell OEM part, based on the SB0358 in the serial number (largest sticker) and the presence of three white stickers on the back.

As mentioned in the first post of this thread, those OEM cards might not work correctly with this guide.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2024-09-24, 13:32:

stamasd wrote on 2024-09-24, 13:21:

Yeah it works fine in other systems.
It's a retail card too based on the label on the back.

Actually, it might be a Dell OEM part, based on the SB0358 in the serial number (largest sticker) and the presence of three white stickers on the back.

As mentioned in the first post of this thread, those OEM cards might not work correctly with this guide.

Actually I can't tell if that is SB0358 or SB0353. The 8s and the 3s are printed very weirdly on that sticker and are basically identical even with magnification
Anyway, I get sound in Windows now and hopefully in DOS too

stamasd wrote on 2024-09-24, 13:35:

Actually I can't tell if that is SB0358 or SB0353. The 8s and the 3s are printed very weirdly on that sticker and are basically identical even with magnification

Retail cards from Creative have just a SB0350 in the serial number. OEM cards from Dell have SB0358 instead, while OEM cards from HP have SB0359.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2024-09-24, 13:39:

stamasd wrote on 2024-09-24, 13:35:

Actually I can't tell if that is SB0358 or SB0353. The 8s and the 3s are printed very weirdly on that sticker and are basically identical even with magnification

Retail cards from Creative have just a SB0350 in the serial number. OEM cards from Dell have SB0358 instead, while OEM cards from HP have SB0359.

To my knowledge, there are no other variations of the serial number.

Yeap, my SB350 card definitely doesn't have those stickers and it works with this guide.

Well, I thank you for the guide. Even if I only get sound in Windows only, Windows games are my main goal for that system and it is achieved.

Anyway, there _may_ be ways to convert OEM cards to retail, since I suspect in typical Creative manner, the type of card is set by its PCI ID stored in a small EEPROM on the card. Modifying the PCI ID in that EEPROM will switch the type of card. I have done that successfully for Live cards and for X-Fi cards (but not for Audigy cards so far). Needs more investigation. 😀