Tiido wrote on 2024-12-21, 10:47:

For YMF71x the only WDM driver is what comes with Windows itself and you lose it when you install the Yamaha's drivers. There's probably a way to extract it from the CD and make use of it but overall it is a downgrade, especially if you want to use the card for anything DOS.

I see. I did take a look on the 98SE disc for drivers related to the card, but I couldn’t see any. There were no Yamaha folders as I recall.

But I’ll stick to VXD. That seems to be recommended and best for DOS etc.

The drivers are inside the CAB files in the installation data directory, along with all the other drivers for devices that are natively supported out of box.

Tiido wrote on 2024-12-21, 15:42:

The drivers are inside the CAB files in the installation data directory, along with all the other drivers for devices that are natively supported out of box.

Thanks for the heads-up. I'll take another look later. I need to do a test to fix a problem anyway, which will involve uninstalling the drivers, the card, and then re-installing them.

Tiido wrote on 2024-12-21, 15:42:

The drivers are inside the CAB files in the installation data directory, along with all the other drivers for devices that are natively supported out of box.

Still not seeing it. Are you referring to the original Windows 98 disc (FE)? Or SE? I have SE installed, but I do have both versions. I checked both, but haven’t been able to locate it.

It isn't an obviously plain to see stuff. You're gonna have to find the right INF from the thousands of others and then all the driver files referenced in that INF.
I don't know if 98FE has it in it, but 98SE and ME definitely have the WDM drivers for these cards.
In case of 98SE and ME, WDMA_YMH.INF is file of interest. With luck it already is in Windows dir in the hidden INF folder and the driver files referenced in it, scattered in the system dirs.

I'm considering getting myself an MT-32 at some point. Not sure when yet. But I just wanted to find out - will I need to get any other adapter, cable, or device to hook it up to my sound card with already having my SC-55 hooked up? I mean, I have my SC-55 connected to one of those adapter boards from Serdashop, but would I need to order another one, or something similar, for the MT-32? My Yamaha only has the one game/MIDI port, which is taken, though my SB Live! has one.

DustyShinigami wrote on 2025-12-15, 12:18:

I mean, I have my SC-55 connected to one of those adapter boards from Serdashop, but would I need to order another one, or something similar, for the MT-32?

Are you talking about this adapter? https://www.serdashop.com/DB15MIDI

If so, it has dual MIDI out so you could just hook up the MT-32 to the other MIDI out port.

Then you'll just need a way of mixing the audio from the MT-32. If you're already using a dual sound card and planning a dual MIDI module setup, I'd recommend an external audio mixer if you don't already have one.

Shponglefan wrote on 2025-12-15, 13:44:

Are you talking about this adapter? https://www.serdashop.com/DB15MIDI […]
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DustyShinigami wrote on 2025-12-15, 12:18:

I mean, I have my SC-55 connected to one of those adapter boards from Serdashop, but would I need to order another one, or something similar, for the MT-32?

Are you talking about this adapter? https://www.serdashop.com/DB15MIDI

If so, it has dual MIDI out so you could just hook up the MT-32 to the other MIDI out port.

Then you'll just need a way of mixing the audio from the MT-32. If you're already using a dual sound card and planning a dual MIDI module setup, I'd recommend an external audio mixer if you don't already have one.

Yeah, that's the one.

I don't quite follow. Would I still need to get another one though? Both MIDI cables are plugged into the one I have for my SC-55. Or do you mean I'd unplug one from the SC-55 and use that cable for the MT-32...?

And an audio mixer... Someone mentioned one of those before (it might have been you, even :p). I remember them being quite pricey. ^^; Any recommendations? Thanks.

DustyShinigami wrote on 2025-12-15, 14:05:

Yeah, that's the one.

I don't quite follow. Would I still need to get another one though? Both MIDI cables are plugged into the one I have for my SC-55. Or do you mean I'd unplug one from the SC-55 and use that cable for the MT-32...?

The adapter has two outputs, not an input/output. You don't need to plug in two cables for the SC-55. You just need to connect the output from the adapter to the input on the SC-55.

You can then use the other output on the adapter to connect the MT-32.

And an audio mixer... Someone mentioned one of those before (it might have been you, even :p). I remember them being quite pricey. ^^; Any recommendations? Thanks.

I use Edirol (Roland) M-10MX mixers. They're compact powered mixers that can connect up to 5 stereo devices (10 channels). Looking on Ebay they sell for between $70 to $100 USD.

Shponglefan wrote on 2025-12-15, 14:45:

The adapter has two outputs, not an input/output. You don't need to plug in two cables for the SC-55. You just need to connect t […]
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DustyShinigami wrote on 2025-12-15, 14:05:

Yeah, that's the one.

I don't quite follow. Would I still need to get another one though? Both MIDI cables are plugged into the one I have for my SC-55. Or do you mean I'd unplug one from the SC-55 and use that cable for the MT-32...?

The adapter has two outputs, not an input/output. You don't need to plug in two cables for the SC-55. You just need to connect the output from the adapter to the input on the SC-55.

You can then use the other output on the adapter to connect the MT-32.

And an audio mixer... Someone mentioned one of those before (it might have been you, even :p). I remember them being quite pricey. ^^; Any recommendations? Thanks.

I use Edirol (Roland) M-10MX mixers. They're compact powered mixers that can connect up to 5 stereo devices (10 channels). Looking on Ebay they sell for between $70 to $100 USD.

Ah. And there was me thinking the SC-55 needed the two cables to be plugged in. ^^; The more you know...

Cool, thanks. I'll look into them. They might be a bit more on eBay UK, but I'll check.

EDIT: Okay, so about £85. It will, of course, make getting an MT-32 that extra bit more expensive if I got those together. Although I could always toggle between the two depending on the game.

There's a model I've been watching on eBay and the seller has offered £50 off. It's an original early model apparently. It's a 15bit as opposed to the later 16bit. Is there any pros or cons to getting 15bit over 16bit?

DustyShinigami wrote on 2025-12-15, 21:44:

There's a model I've been watching on eBay and the seller has offered £50 off. It's an original early model apparently. It's a 15bit as opposed to the later 16bit. Is there any pros or cons to getting 15bit over 16bit?

There is different audio compatibility with certain games depending on which version of the MT-32 (old vs new).

You can see a list here: https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/List_of_ … _computer_games

Personally, I use the 'old' version of the MT-32 with my setups and use CM-series modules for later stuff.

Shponglefan wrote on 2025-12-16, 00:27:

There is different audio compatibility with certain games depending on which version of the MT-32 (old vs new). […]
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DustyShinigami wrote on 2025-12-15, 21:44:

There's a model I've been watching on eBay and the seller has offered £50 off. It's an original early model apparently. It's a 15bit as opposed to the later 16bit. Is there any pros or cons to getting 15bit over 16bit?

There is different audio compatibility with certain games depending on which version of the MT-32 (old vs new).

You can see a list here: https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/List_of_ … _computer_games

Personally, I use the 'old' version of the MT-32 with my setups and use CM-series modules for later stuff.

Awesome. Thanks for the list. I'll check it over. 😀 I suspect I'll end up getting it. It's the cheapest I've come across so far. Incidentally, what's 'CM-series'?

DustyShinigami wrote on 2025-12-16, 00:45:

Awesome. Thanks for the list. I'll check it over. 😀 I suspect I'll end up getting it. It's the cheapest I've come across so far. Incidentally, what's 'CM-series'?

CM-series refers to the "Computer Music" series of modules. It includes the CM-32L, CM-64, CM-300, CM-500, among others.

The CM-32L and/or CM-64 are the ones worth having. They are basically an MT-32 "new" with extra sound effects that a handful of games make use of.

Shponglefan wrote on 2025-12-16, 00:51:

DustyShinigami wrote on 2025-12-16, 00:45:

Awesome. Thanks for the list. I'll check it over. 😀 I suspect I'll end up getting it. It's the cheapest I've come across so far. Incidentally, what's 'CM-series'?

CM-series refers to the "Computer Music" series of modules. It includes the CM-32L, CM-64, CM-300, CM-500, among others.

The CM-32L and/or CM-64 are the ones worth having. They are basically an MT-32 "new" with extra sound effects that a handful of games make use of.

I see. So, are those daughter boards? Or are they a type of sound font you add to the canvas? I noticed in that list a number of the games I own have some distortion/incorrect sounds with the old module over the new.

DustyShinigami wrote on 2025-12-16, 00:59:

I see. So, are those daughter boards? Or are they a type of sound font you add to the canvas? I noticed in that list a number of the games I own have some distortion/incorrect sounds with the old module over the new.

No, they are standalone sound modules just like an MT-32 or SC-55.