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Reply 480 of 488, by Joseph_Joestar

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DustyShinigami wrote on Today, 10:52:

EDIT: Oh, wait. It might be because of my VPN. Now that I've disabled it, I have seen these: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256474137094?_skw= … %3ABFBM3J-fucFm

Would those work? Mind you, they're not listed as SPDIF.

No, those are not the correct cables. And that connector wouldn't physically fit into the relevant ports on the CD-ROM drive and the sound card.

DustyShinigami wrote on Today, 11:22:

I'm wondering, to be honest, if it would work out cheaper and easier just getting a different sound card. I don't fancy paying the shipping fees from the US for a simple cable. But then if WDM drivers for a different sound card are going to be iffy regardless...

All PCI sound cards made by Creative have the same EAX issues when using WDM drivers under Win9x. Not sure about other manufacturers.

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Reply 481 of 488, by DustyShinigami

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on Today, 11:39:
No, those are not the correct cables. And that connector wouldn't physically fit into the relevant ports on the CD-ROM drive and […]
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DustyShinigami wrote on Today, 10:52:

EDIT: Oh, wait. It might be because of my VPN. Now that I've disabled it, I have seen these: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256474137094?_skw= … %3ABFBM3J-fucFm

Would those work? Mind you, they're not listed as SPDIF.

No, those are not the correct cables. And that connector wouldn't physically fit into the relevant ports on the CD-ROM drive and the sound card.

DustyShinigami wrote on Today, 11:22:

I'm wondering, to be honest, if it would work out cheaper and easier just getting a different sound card. I don't fancy paying the shipping fees from the US for a simple cable. But then if WDM drivers for a different sound card are going to be iffy regardless...

All PCI sound cards made by Creative have the same EAX issues when using WDM drivers under Win9x. Not sure about other manufacturers.

Yeah, I thought that right after posting. 😅

Hmm. Guess I’ll have to have a thorough search online for the cheapest option available for a cable or two. In the meantime, I’ll experiment with VxD drivers and see what the best ones are.

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Reply 482 of 488, by DustyShinigami

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on Today, 11:39:
No, those are not the correct cables. And that connector wouldn't physically fit into the relevant ports on the CD-ROM drive and […]
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DustyShinigami wrote on Today, 10:52:

EDIT: Oh, wait. It might be because of my VPN. Now that I've disabled it, I have seen these: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256474137094?_skw= … %3ABFBM3J-fucFm

Would those work? Mind you, they're not listed as SPDIF.

No, those are not the correct cables. And that connector wouldn't physically fit into the relevant ports on the CD-ROM drive and the sound card.

DustyShinigami wrote on Today, 11:22:

I'm wondering, to be honest, if it would work out cheaper and easier just getting a different sound card. I don't fancy paying the shipping fees from the US for a simple cable. But then if WDM drivers for a different sound card are going to be iffy regardless...

All PCI sound cards made by Creative have the same EAX issues when using WDM drivers under Win9x. Not sure about other manufacturers.

Would the cable from this work?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166637959541?_skw= … ABk9SR_SpqNjBZg

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HDD: C, D - IDE 1, CD-ROM - IDE 2, E - IDE 3

Reply 483 of 488, by Joseph_Joestar

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DustyShinigami wrote on Today, 20:05:

If you mean the wires coming from that bracket, yes they would work, but the length is way too short.

If you really want to experiment with making your own cable, it might be better to get a pack of female to female DuPont jumper wires, around 50 cm in length. Those are readily available on places like Amazon. Just be careful not to reverse the connection from the CD-ROM pins to the sound card's CD_SPDIF header. That's why pre-built cables have the latches on the connectors, which makes it impossible to insert them the wrong way.

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Reply 484 of 488, by DustyShinigami

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on Today, 20:15:
DustyShinigami wrote on Today, 20:05:

If you mean the wires coming from that bracket, yes they would work, but the length is way too short.

If you really want to experiment with making your own cable, it might be better to get a pack of female to female DuPont jumper wires, around 50 cm in length. Those are readily available on places like Amazon. Just be careful not to reverse the connection from the CD-ROM pins to the sound card's CD_SPDIF header. That's why pre-built cables have the latches on the connectors, which makes it impossible to insert them the wrong way.

Ohh, yeah. They do look too short. Bugger.

To be honest, I was considering getting some of those cables. If anything because the Gotek FlashFloppy has the option for sound and it requires one of those cables. Would I need to modify the cables at all? I'd have to be shown the correct way of connecting them, because knowing me... ^^;

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Reply 485 of 488, by Joseph_Joestar

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DustyShinigami wrote on Today, 20:25:

Would I need to modify the cables at all? I'd have to be shown the correct way of connecting them, because knowing me... ^^;

DuPont wires should fit onto the pins without any modification. As for how to make the connection, the two pins on the CD_SPDIF header are "ground" and "signal". Same for the CD-ROM drive. You want to connect ground to ground and signal to signal of course. On Creative's SBLive and Audigy cards, pin 1 of the CD_SPDIF header is ground, and pin 2 is signal. This is shown in the help file, which is available on the official installation disc that comes with the card. Here's an example:

file.php?id=185262&mode=view

If you look at this photo of my SBLive SB0100, you can see that pin 1 of its CD_SPDIF header is marked with a white triangle and the number 1:

file.php?id=185223&mode=view

On the CD-ROM drive, it sometimes varies between models. Generally, the pin marked with a "G" is ground and the one marked with a "D" is signal. But again, this varies, and it would be best to consult the drive's manual for this info. Here's a photo of my drive where the aforementioned markings can be seen:

file.php?id=185222&mode=view

If you look at Creative's stock SPDIF cable in both pictures, you will see that the black wire is ground, while the white one is signal. And this cable can only be inserted one way, due to the latches.

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Reply 486 of 488, by DustyShinigami

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on Today, 20:38:
DuPont wires should fit onto the pins without any modification. As for how to make the connection, the two pins on the CD_SPDIF […]
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DustyShinigami wrote on Today, 20:25:

Would I need to modify the cables at all? I'd have to be shown the correct way of connecting them, because knowing me... ^^;

DuPont wires should fit onto the pins without any modification. As for how to make the connection, the two pins on the CD_SPDIF header are "ground" and "signal". Same for the CD-ROM drive. You want to connect ground to ground and signal to signal of course. On Creative's SBLive and Audigy cards, pin 1 of the CD_SPDIF header is ground, and pin 2 is signal. This is shown in the help file, which is available on the official installation disc that comes with the card. Here's an example:

file.php?id=185262&mode=view

If you look at this photo of my SBLive SB0100, you can see that pin 1 of its CD_SPDIF header is marked with a white triangle and the number 1:

file.php?id=185223&mode=view

On the CD-ROM drive, it sometimes varies between models. Generally, the pin marked with a "G" is ground and the one marked with a "D" is signal. But again, this varies, and it would be best to consult the drive's manual for this info. Here's a photo of my drive where the aforementioned markings can be seen:

file.php?id=185222&mode=view

If you look at Creative's stock SPDIF cable in both pictures, you will see that the black wire is ground, while the white one is signal. And this cable can only be inserted one way, due to the latches.

Awesome. Thank you. I'll order myself a set of those DuPont wires. 😀

Though I take it if they're single DuPont cables, I would just need to plug one into each Ground and one into each Signal? I'm not sure if each of those cables are marked, are they?

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Reply 487 of 488, by Joseph_Joestar

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DustyShinigami wrote on Today, 20:59:

Though I take it if they're single DuPont cables, I would just need to plug one into each Ground and one into each Signal? I'm not sure if each of those cables are marked, are they?

That's right, you would connect one wire for signal and another wire for ground, when using DuPont. All wires from the same pack are identical, they only differ by color. As long as you get the "female to female" variety, you should be good to go.

Also, a word of caution about CD-ROM drives. Some models have those two pins, but they aren't actually wired to anything internally, and therefore don't work. This is usually the case with older drives, which were made during the mid-late 90s, but some newer ones are guilty of that too. Again, it would be best to find the drive's manual to check if it has proper support for digital audio, and how the relevant pins are marked.

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Reply 488 of 488, by DustyShinigami

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on Today, 21:34:
DustyShinigami wrote on Today, 20:59:

Though I take it if they're single DuPont cables, I would just need to plug one into each Ground and one into each Signal? I'm not sure if each of those cables are marked, are they?

That's right, you would connect one wire for signal and another wire for ground, when using DuPont. All wires from the same pack are identical, they only differ by color. As long as you get the "female to female" variety, you should be good to go.

Also, a word of caution about CD-ROM drives. Some models have those two pins, but they aren't actually wired to anything internally, and therefore don't work. This is usually the case with older drives, which were made during the mid-late 90s, but some newer ones are guilty of that too. Again, it would be best to find the drive's manual to check if it has proper support for digital audio, and how the relevant pins are marked.

Okay, thanks. I'll see if I can find the manual to my current one and for an eventual one I'll buy.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Slot 1 Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/128MB Geforce 4 Ti 4200
Motherboard: ABit AB-BE6-II Intel 440BX
HDD: C, D - IDE 1, CD-ROM - IDE 2, E - IDE 3